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Old 10-09-2004, 11:35 AM   #1
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If murdur were legal, it would definitely eliminate the criminal element associated with bumping off someone that teed you off.
what? mudur is not legal???
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Old 10-09-2004, 03:55 PM   #3
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When I murder someone, I've deprived that person of their right to life.

When I snort a line of coke... what exactly have I taken from anyone else?
The point was not that murder and snorting cocaine are equivalent.

The point was that if you make something legal, that by definition removes the criminal element. So I always find the arguement that by making something legal you could remove the criminal element weak.
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Old 10-09-2004, 04:16 PM   #5
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Consumption of cocaine harms no one but the consumer.
not really true...


the use and then the frequent addiction effects all the people around the user and also effect society financially and in general safety.



a similiar arguement to the seat belt law
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Old 10-09-2004, 04:20 PM   #6
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My point is that there's a sound *reason* for murder to be illegal. It infringes on the rights of innocent citizens.

Consumption of cocaine harms no one but the consumer.
So your arguement takes the following valid logical form:

My premise is that cocaine harms only the user.

Therefore my conclusion is that cocaine should be legal.

Your conclusion follows logically from your premise. I don't agree with the premise, but at least it is a logical argument.

Gobo argues:

If cocaine were legal, you wouldn't have criminal element involved. Well duh. My arguement about murder is an example to show that his form argument is unvalid and pointless.
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Old 10-09-2004, 08:18 PM   #7
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My point is that there's a sound *reason* for murder to be illegal. It infringes on the rights of innocent citizens.

Consumption of cocaine harms no one but the consumer.
The only problem I see with this argument is that if legalized cocaine harms the consumer it opens the door for those greedy bastages called trial lawyers who want to sue every body from cigarrette companies to Gun manufacturers. Under a product liability case.


BTW I would like to see all kinds of stuff legalized and taxed. End the billions of dollars wasted on fighting it. Make a little revenue from it and spend that money on education and treatment programs There by creating more jobs.
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Old 10-09-2004, 03:57 PM   #8
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When I murder someone, I've deprived that person of their right to life.

When I snort a line of coke... what exactly have I taken from anyone else?
nothing... personally in an ideal world i think all drugs should be legal as long as they are advertised correctly(ie people know what they do)


but as of right now, they aren't legal so jmo Jamal lewis is prolly the more severe crime.
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Old 10-09-2004, 04:01 PM   #9
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Not to mention, you're allowed to kill. Murder is illegal killing. You're not allowed to murder.

You're not in any way shape or form allowed to have any cocaine. No matter what you do with it.
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I disagree with seatbelt laws as well.
i do too
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Old 10-09-2004, 04:22 PM   #12
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I disagree with seatbelt laws as well.

I'm gonna just bow out now. It's the same discussion over and over again... I've got some stuff I need to get done this Saturday afternoon.
That would be true if you were self insured.

But you not wearing a seat belt would hurt me because you might sustain more severe injuries in a crash, thereby raising my insurance rates. Not a victemless crime.
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