Defense attorneys: DNA testing finds no match in Duke lacrosse case - Page 3

BIG_DADDY · 04-10-2006, 05:18 PM

What amazes me is how many times these accusations are found to be untrue. Some one was telling me the other day that over 70% of all alleged rapes are lies. Of course I don't have anything to back that up with without doing some research first. The President of Duke should be fired over this. It's scary what women can get by with now. When one whores word carries more weight than an entire house full of College students we are way over the line IMO.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.

No charges have been filed in the case.

"No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said defense attorney Wade Smith.

The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.

Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested.

District Attorney Mike Nifong stopped speaking with reporters last week after initially talking openly about the case, including stating publicly that he was confident a crime occurred. He went on to say he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.

Smith said Nifong now has the evidence needed to change his mind.

"He doesn't have to do it," Smith said of filing charges. "He is a man with discretion. He doesn't have to do it, and we hope that he won't."

Nifong's assistant said earlier Monday the prosecutor would not comment on the findings. North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains, said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes.

"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said.

Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.

"The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that -- and that's not here," Cheshire said.

Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case -- but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder.

"Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do."

Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew.

"I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.

bkkcoh · 04-11-2006, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Being the the kids are white it's automatically assumed they are guilty.

No, I would say that because they were rich and priviledged, they were guilty.

Could it have been a shakedown by the stripper and/or her manager to extort more money out of them then they received?

Kclee · 04-11-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If anyone questions this womans character every minority group in the country will flip out because she happens to be black.

Heh. The black community has come a long way since O.J.

They're guilty! There is no evidence, but they're guilty!

Chiefnj · 04-11-2006, 08:39 AM

"Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested"

Can you be forced to provide a DNA sample?

TEX · 04-11-2006, 08:39 AM

"If the golves don't fit, you must acquit."...

DJJasonp · 04-11-2006, 08:45 AM

Somehow, you know Coach K is behind all of this....he used the same mind-control powers he uses on officials on the CSI team....

Heck, I bet even Dickie V has put in a call to Coach K volunteering some of his DNA to throw into the crime scene (so someone other than a Dukie could take the fall).

Kclee · 04-11-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Can you be forced to provide a DNA sample?

I don't know. But if I was innocent, I'd give DNA so they could take me off the suspect list.

chagrin · 04-11-2006, 08:57 AM

Welp, I guess I will go ahead and say that this stripper should be killed and skinned, instead of the LaCrosse team. I still detest priveledged atheltes and others who do shit like what she LIED about, and get away with it - but if they did nothing and she made the whole thing up. Definitely prosecuted, and please do something more than the runway bride got!!!

BIG_DADDY · 04-11-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Yeah, a lawyer telling a lie... that NEVER happens.

I want some of the drugs your on. OK, I can't believe I actually have to say this. It's not about whether an lawyer will lie or not it's about what's in it for him. Lying about the results of the DNA evidence would just be stupid and probably get him fired. It serves no purpose.

BIG_DADDY · 04-11-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

Welp, I guess I will go ahead and say that this stripper should be killed and skinned, instead of the LaCrosse team. I still detest priveledged atheltes and others who do shit like what she LIED about, and get away with it - but if they did nothing and she made the whole thing up. Definitely prosecuted, and please do something more than the runway bride got!!!

They won't do anything to her.

Kclee · 04-11-2006, 09:36 AM

I just can't help but think how this story would have all been different if Mer was the girl.

"Stripper rapes Duke LaCrosse team"

leviw · 04-11-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

Welp, I guess I will go ahead and say that this stripper should be killed and skinned, instead of the LaCrosse team. I still detest priveledged atheltes and others who do shit like what she LIED about, and get away with it - but if they did nothing and she made the whole thing up. Definitely prosecuted, and please do something more than the runway bride got!!!

How bout Kobe's Colorado ho? Pretty much the same thing. She obviously didn't make the whole thing up, but she sure shut up pretty quickly.

**alanm** · 04-11-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by leviw

How bout Kobe's Colorado ho? Pretty much the same thing. She obviously didn't make the whole thing up, but she sure shut up pretty quickly.

Because Kobe's lawyers were good and tore her credibility to shreds. And paid her a tidy sum of money to boot.
Just goes to show, if you have the money you can get away with murder, so to speak. OJ proved that.

Katipan · 04-11-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kclee

I just can't help but think how this story would have all been different if Mer was the girl.

"Stripper rapes Duke LaCrosse team"

The lack of DNA evidence would give it away.

I don't watch CSI for the entertainment.

Katipan · 04-11-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Because Kobe's lawyers were good and tore her credibility to shreds. And paid her a tidy sum of money to boot.
Just goes to show, if you have the money you can get away with murder, so to speak. OJ proved that.

Plus it was kind of silly of her not to kiss "it" goodbye. That's just polite.

BIG_DADDY · 04-11-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Because Kobe's lawyers were good and tore her credibility to shreds. And paid her a tidy sum of money to boot.
Just goes to show, if you have the money you can get away with murder, so to speak. OJ proved that.

That's completely incorrect. First of all she had no credibility. Her friend said whe was upset after leaving his room but all the other employees didn't notice anything wrong with her. She finished up her job and left. After she left she ****ed some other guy right after being with Kobe, not exactly how a woman acts after being raped. Thirdly she bragged at a party about how big Kobe's cock was in front of many witnesses. Lastly they only decided to give her an undisclosed amount in civil court after having already dropped their criminal charges. One was not related to the other. It makes sense to do that as the more his name is attached to this in the media the longer it will take him to get new endorsement contracts which is huge $$$$. On top of all this her mom worked with the local police department and the family would have never had to work again had they got the rape conviction. If they had any decent chance of getting the conviction they should have gone for it.

What a really skewed perception you have of that case. I am surprised to hear that coming from you. IMO Males in this country deserve what they get when it comes to being victims of women claiming rape. We have set the table for them and believe them not matter what the facts are. Alan's example right here says it all.

04-10-2006, 05:18 PM
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $2558410	Defense attorneys: DNA testing finds no match in Duke lacrosse case What amazes me is how many times these accusations are found to be untrue. Some one was telling me the other day that over 70% of all alleged rapes are lies. Of course I don't have anything to back that up with without doing some research first. The President of Duke should be fired over this. It's scary what women can get by with now. When one whores word carries more weight than an entire house full of College students we are way over the line IMO. http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday. Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party. No charges have been filed in the case. "No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said defense attorney Wade Smith. The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her. Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested. District Attorney Mike Nifong stopped speaking with reporters last week after initially talking openly about the case, including stating publicly that he was confident a crime occurred. He went on to say he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team. Smith said Nifong now has the evidence needed to change his mind. "He doesn't have to do it," Smith said of filing charges. "He is a man with discretion. He doesn't have to do it, and we hope that he won't." Nifong's assistant said earlier Monday the prosecutor would not comment on the findings. North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case. Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains, said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes. "They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said. Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently. "The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that -- and that's not here," Cheshire said. Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case -- but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder. "Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do." Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew. "I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.
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Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	"Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested" Can you be forced to provide a DNA sample? __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1844800	Somehow, you know Coach K is behind all of this....he used the same mind-control powers he uses on officials on the CSI team.... Heck, I bet even Dickie V has put in a call to Coach K volunteering some of his DNA to throw into the crime scene (so someone other than a Dukie could take the fall). __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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chagrin Giggitty! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missoula, Mt Casino cash: $9804905	Welp, I guess I will go ahead and say that this stripper should be killed and skinned, instead of the LaCrosse team. I still detest priveledged atheltes and others who do shit like what she LIED about, and get away with it - but if they did nothing and she made the whole thing up. Definitely prosecuted, and please do something more than the runway bride got!!! __________________ Times have changed, so have I, things are better now.
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Kclee Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $10014147	I just can't help but think how this story would have all been different if Mer was the girl. "Stripper rapes Duke LaCrosse team" __________________ If any man says he hates war more than I do, he better have a knife, that's all I have to say.
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