Without Gun this is a 4-12 Team

[KCJohnny]

Herm came in and achieved "balance". That's what you could say after having a D suck so bad the past 5 years that getting under 300 points (we didn't) would have been a monumental achievement. But in the name of "balance" we took the league's best offense and demoted it to a predictable, 1-dimensional cliche that dropped SIXTEEN places in ranking and performed worse than almost any offense in NFL playoff history (126 yards of total offense).

I think without Gun trying to make shinola out of $#!+ with Herm's insistance on Cover 2, this team is horrible. The Colts game shows that the testicles are on D, and that is NOT because Herm "changed the focus". If DV was here, we'd be 14-2 and laughing at the Colts because he kept Gun. That said, this team had better realize that flushing DV's O leaves not much in its place. Thank God for Gun, because without him and these over-acheivers, this team is a waste of talent. Hopefully Gun stays and keeps this team at least semi-competitive.

[blueballs]

if you would change your love to Saunders for HC
you might get more support
never mind most have you on ignore most likely

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

All we needed was a decent D

Which he never achieved in FIVE years. Game over.

[milkman]

Other coaches have fixed a defense in a year or two.

Gunt has made some progress, but this is his third year.

Gunt has had enough time to fix this defense, and while better, it ain't fixed.

[Thig Lyfe]

If we were to go 4-12, Carl would be gone, we'd have a high pick and go directly into rebuilding mode.

As it is, we were "close" and need "just a few fixes". As in, make some superficial cuts and sign aging free agents.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

it amazes me how people on this board have totally deluded themselves on how lucky we were when DV and AS were here. All we needed was a decent D, and we would have gone the distance at least twice.

This O will never come close to what we had the prior 5 years. Tis a shame. Rest in peace almighty O we'll miss you.

Exactly. And if Solari really had the killer -instinct that AS had, even without Raof, we would have had a majot year on offense. DAMN. a 1789 yard RB gives you CARTE BLANCHE in the play-action pass game if you have the %$#@ common sense to USE it. Steve Bono out-performed Green this year. 16 Games with Huard with Al Saunders as OC = 13-3. GO GUN!!!!!!!!

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Which he never achieved in FIVE years. Game over.

And the fact that DV gave more atonomy to Gun than Edwards does...Yeah, it's all DV's fault.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

it amazes me how people on this board have totally deluded themselves on how lucky we were when DV and AS were here. All we needed was a decent D, and we would have gone the distance at least twice.

This O will never come close to what we had the prior 5 years. Tis a shame. Rest in peace almighty O we'll miss you.

It never amazes me how people see the O over those 5 years and proclaim they love Dick, while completely ignoring the fact that the D he had was one of the worst in history over a 5 year span.

[Hammock Parties]

Jesus Christ, KCJohnny.

Gunther is lucky as hell that Herm is here to hold his hand. He is NOTHING without Herm.

Herm Edwards gave Kansas City it's best defense in almost a decade.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

And the fact that DV gave more atonomy to Gun than Edwards does...Yeah, it's all DV's fault.

Head coach. Comes with the territory.

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadWolf

If we were to go 4-12, Carl would be gone,

Do you really believe that? I highly doubt Carl would be fired in this scenario.

And hating on the Cover 2 and Herm's influence on this defense doesn't make sense. The Cover 2 is what worked today.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by milkman

It never amazes me how people see the O over those 5 years and proclaim they love Dick, while completely ignoring the fact that the D he had was one of the worst in history over a 5 year span.

Delegation is a bitch, isn't it. How many DCs have Holmgren and Shanahan gone through? It's called specialization, and DV brought something to the table. (More than just something, actually.) Edwards is an absolute joke.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Jesus Christ, KCJohnny.

Gunther is lucky as hell that Herm is here to hold his hand. He is NOTHING without Herm.

Herm Edwards gave Kansas City it's best defense in almost a decade.

Oh yeah. Dropping the O from #1 to #16 is definitely the formulae for advancing your D. Do you REALIZE what a monumental achievement it is for a D to get better when its O drops SIXTEEN palces in the league ranking??????

You just don't want to acknowledge the job Gun did with ZERO stars on D and some vets, hopefuls and maintenance players. Without Gun's D today, we lose 56-0.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I think without Gun trying to make shinola out of $#!+

At least it is his $#!+. All the players on defense are the ones he wanted, plus a couple of draft picks and Law thrown in.

And you know it was a bad day when a defense that gives up 450 total yards (188 yards rushing) is the bright spot.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Jesus Christ, KCJohnny.

Gunther is lucky as hell that Herm is here to hold his hand. He is NOTHING without Herm.

Herm Edwards gave Kansas City it's best defense in almost a decade.

You know how lukcy KC is to have Herm bring in his Butt Sex Offense?

We are now balanced and were totaly humilated on national TV agian with Herm!

Thanks for reminding us how lucky everyone is that we have Herm.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Coogs

At least it is his $#!+. All the players on defense are the ones he wanted, plus a couple of draft picks and Law thrown in.

And you know it was a bad day when a defense that gives up 450 total yards (188 yards rushing) is the bright spot.

The eason they gave up so many yards is we had 7 count them 7 3 and outs. 42 minutes the Defene was on the field. Ty Law even said F@ck me when the O couldnt do shit with his interception.

The D was just so gased at the end of the game there was nothing left in the damn tank. They did a damn fine job against Manning in their house. Did they play perfect? no, of course not, but there isnt a Defense in the league that really would have done better in the RCA dome.