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Old 03-28-2007, 09:31 AM  
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Time to trade Jared Allen...
With the latest news from his agent, it's time to shop the guy hard to Atlanta to see if we can get the Schaub picks.

Anybody agree?
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:54 AM   #31
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Are you talking about the DUI or is there something that makes him an actual criminal? Technically I know what you are saying is true, but realistically the word criminal implies worse.
In the eyes of the NFL, he's a convicted criminal, DUI or not.

He's going to get 4 games under the NFL's criminal conduct policy, regardless of whether or not he was enrolled in the substance abuse program. It's very similar to what happened with Warfield - he wasn't suspended for the alcohol, he was suspended for the conviction.

One more screw-up and he misses a season.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:54 AM   #32
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Even if they're on the verge of missing at least 1/4 of a season and aren't interested in being part of the team?
You need to call up Holthus and see what he says. Then tell us the scoop.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:54 AM   #33
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Even if they're on the verge of missing at least 1/4 of a season and aren't interested in being part of the team?

Why isn't he interested in being part of the team?
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:54 AM   #34
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It does happen.

But very rarely can you actually GET the compensation that's due for a tendered player.

In this case, we have a very REAL possibility of getting two reasonably high picks for Allen.
Do you really trust Carl Peterson to use those picks effectively given his history?

I don't like the possibility of the 4 game suspension anymore than any other person, but it is very hard to find players who play with the ability and passion that Allen does.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:55 AM   #35
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Are you talking about the DUI or is there something that makes him an actual criminal? Technically I know what you are saying is true, but realistically the word criminal implies worse.
It's the latest in a string of DUIs. At some point it becomes felony.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:55 AM   #36
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They could get probably get a 2nd and 3rd. Is it worth it for the best defensive player? You've got to use at least one of those picks to try to replace him, plus your thin at the position to start with.

Pay the man. Give him bonuses tied into games played and/or have clauses about not getting paid if suspended, etc.
I think we have other players we can build around, players with more natural talent, better upside, and without the off-the-field and behavioral issues.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:55 AM   #37
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I think either way you win. If he plays great, if you trade him he should have some real value.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:56 AM   #38
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Why isn't he interested in being part of the team?
Because he doesn't want to show up for offseason workouts. We've had lots of players with contract disputes still fulfill their obligations to their fellow players.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:56 AM   #39
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It's the latest in a string of DUIs. At some point it becomes felony.
I thought it was only two, my apologies.
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Do you really trust Carl Peterson to use those picks effectively given his history?

I don't like the possibility of the 4 game suspension anymore than any other person, but it is very hard to find players who play with the ability and passion that Allen does.
Herm Edwards gets to use those picks, and based on last season, I absolutely DO trust him to use them correctly.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:57 AM   #41
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I thought it was only two, my apologies.
Right, he's facing a 3rd, which is bad news.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:58 AM   #42
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:58 AM   #43
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so what's Jared Allen worth, Parker?



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If he doesn't want to work out this offseason and is just going to roll into training camp and punch the clock, we don't need this year with him anyway. What a guy you want on your team would do would be to continue to work out and be a professional and give this year a real effort. I'd take the draft picks instead.
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It's the latest in a string of DUIs. At some point it becomes felony.
most states it's the third conviction that = felony.

Allen had one that he was on a probation / education program to have it down graded to something else, but then he got his second arrest so the judge gave him both convictions.

next arrest could be his third conviction, but sometimes that third arrest, depending on how much time goes by, can be another probation scenerio. To any event he's one conviction (not neccesarily one arrest) from being a felony.
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