Clint - Admit You Were Wrong

[KCWolfman]

I believe that you said that there was no way we were getting a tax break and you'd believe it when you see it this year.

Guess what???

I just got my notice..... almost 400 dollars.

WOOOHOOOOOO!!!

That is more than I got in 8 years from Billary.

[Skip Towne]

Hey, Luz - I agree with what you are saying. Especially the "finite amount of dollars" concept. I am generaly aware of what is takng place around the globe but do not study it in great detail. I am thankful for those of you who do, so I don't have to. That way, I can concentrate on FOOTBALL. BTW, we should fire everyone who jumps out of airplanes for a living. We don't need you!! Haven't you heard of the "A" bomb. Just kidding John, old buddy, I just had to get you in this post.

[old_geezer]

There's a simple way to cut spending. Take the Social Security trust fund out of the equation when planning our budget. Almost every budget that has been planned by our wonderful politicians (Repubs and Dems both) includes the social security surplus as income. It's not. Take it off the board before the planning starts. Social Security would be healthier and our spending would be cut. Way too simple for our current group of politicians who would rather spend every penny they can get their hands on. :rolleyes:

[Rausch]

I only got $132....:mad:



But you know what?


It's more than I had before, and I'm not about to gripe...:cool:

[KCTitus]

Cannibal: That SS money you put in is loooong gone. This is one of the big problems. Most DONT understand the SS process.

The money deducted from your check is [b]immediately[/b] sent back out to existing SS recipients. YOUR SS money isnt even being earned yet because the people who would be 'supporting' you are probably not even born yet.

SS is [b]NOT[/b] a personal savings account nor is the money stashed away for you to recieve back at a later day. It's a simple transfer of dollars from you to the SS recipients.

[Cannibal]

Titus, I know what you're saying. But I don't care. If SS is not going to be there for me when I retire, then I want all I've paid into it back in my hands. If it is going to be there for me, then I can live with being taxed for it now.

[Radar Chief]

I’m not trying to bust anyone’s chops here, I just wanted to clear the air a little about the Military Spending thing.

"Ask Saddam Hussein what a "million man army" is worth against a few stealth aircraft."

First, the Iraqi’s were caught totally unprepared for the type of war we had been training for. The 7 Year War between Iraq and Iran was, as I understand it, was like a 9 to 5 affair. At dusk both sides would cease-fire, everyone would adjourn to the rear to relax and at dawn the war would start all over again. They weren’t ready for a 24-7 assault from the air, the Electronic Jamming of all communications, or the stress of all this and loud speakers blasting Metallica across the border. Then when we did attack from the ground, we did so with quick, powerful strikes that coordinated air elements with artillery and ground forces for a Blitzkrieg effect (that’s why the air campaign seemed to last forever, the Blitzkrieg depends on air superiority).
I read in Stars and Stripes about an Iraqi Infantry Commander that when asked as to why he surrendered so quickly replied that, he had no communication with his superiors and all he had seen for over a week were American planes headed north. For all he knew, Baghdad had been nuked and no longer existed.

Second, since we’re on the subject of Desert Storm, remember the 7th Corp.? The same group that so badly hammered the Elite Republican Guard, and had been in place in Europe preventing a massive Russian Invasion? I believe that it was last year that they were declared “Unfit for Combat”, because they are at less than 60% strength. We should consider the Military Spending a rebuilding rather than a “Bulking Up”.

"BTW, we should fire everyone who jumps out of airplanes for a living. We don't need you!! Haven't you heard of the "A" bomb. Just kidding John,"

Finally, I realize you were kidding, but 82nd Airborne is a very vital part of our national security, and honestly the security of the world. They are the largest unit of Artillery, Armor and Ground Pounder’s that can be delivered any where in the world in 24 hours. Wasn’t it Nicaragua that peacefully ended a coup as soon as they found out that the 82nd was in the air and on the way there?

Lee

Wastes way too much time watching the History Channel.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Radar,

As a fellow vet, I can certainly understand the importance of sustaining a strong military. I have a suggestion, however: stop all of the fraud, waste and abuse that is a regular part of a military day. I was in a carrier HS squadron out of Jacksonville, FL, and the waste was incredible. For instance, at the end of each quarter, squadrons would line their aircraft on the flightline to get fueled, only to be immediately de-fueled in order to get the same amount of funds for the next quarter(aka OPTAR). I've also seen aircraft carriers just sitting off the coast of Norfolk, for no other reason than to show congressmen. senators, etc. all of the wonderful toys at a carriers disposal(at about $1 million a day, that adds up fast).

So many other examples, I could probably devote a whole website devoted exclusively to the defense department waste, but that idea has probably been taken.

[Radar Chief]

"I have a suggestion, however: stop all of the fraud, waste and abuse that is a regular part of a military day."

You said a mouth full there, MI. I saw a little of the same thing in Germany.
That’s why I feel that a larger portion of the military spending needs to go to the Grunts (EM’s). All branches of our military are undermanned, with the Army being hit the hardest.
I’m not normally one to bash a particular administration, but under Clinton there were mass defections from our Armed Forces and I feel that this is what should be addressed first.

[KCTitus]

[i]Titus, I know what you're saying. But I don't care. If SS is not going to be there for me when I retire, then I want all I've paid into it back in my hands. If it is going to be there for me, then I can live with being taxed for it now.[/i]

Then what you're saying is you're willing to stick your head into the sand about the problem just to b!tch and moan about it.

There is no guarantee in life of anything, including fairness, and the best and only way to get along is to do things for yourself.

The fact that you're willing to give up your money on a tenuous promise is telling.

It's good, at least, that you're honest about liking a failed program and are willing to throw your money away on it. I guess I wont be seeing anymore posts about how you want the federal budget to be 'decreased' anymore.

[NaptownChief]

SS is a joke...They steal your money up front and make a wobbly promise to give you a small piece of it back late in life if you don't die first...Nothing more than another Robin Hood rob from the rich to give to the poor scheme...

If I had all the money that they have stolen from me and my employers being invested properly I would be able to comfortably retire already.

[NaptownChief]

My last post got me thinking a little bit...I just looked at my social security statement and calculated the contributions that have been made on my behalf....

Assuming a 12.4% annualized return, which is avg. return on a well diversified aggressive growth model from 1970-2000, if I were to stop working today and never make another contribution the total of those contributions would be $5,441,351 dollars when I turn 67....

I will be fortunate if I recover $41K of that five million, four hundred and forty one thousand dollars...

My hats off to FDR and his raw deal....:mad:

[Cannibal]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCTitus [/i]
[B][i]Titus, I know what you're saying. But I don't care. If SS is not going to be there for me when I retire, then I want all I've paid into it back in my hands. If it is going to be there for me, then I can live with being taxed for it now.[/i]

Then what you're saying is you're willing to stick your head into the sand about the problem just to b!tch and moan about it.

There is no guarantee in life of anything, including fairness, and the best and only way to get along is to do things for yourself.

The fact that you're willing to give up your money on a tenuous promise is telling.

It's good, at least, that you're honest about liking a failed program and are willing to throw your money away on it. I guess I wont be seeing anymore posts about how you want the federal budget to be 'decreased' anymore. [/B][/QUOTE]


You don't have to be d!ck about it you fuggin ahole. All I'm saying is that if that fuggin program is going to dry up and die, then I what spending cut in other areas so that they can give my fuggin money back. I don't want my money to disappear is all I'm saying.

Cut some spending across the board, [military, space programs, welfare, medicare etc. etc.] and give us our money back.

[KCTitus]

The name calling is a nice touch, Cannibal, but I will abstain, thanks.

Again, your money has already disappeared. You have said you dont care that it's already gone, you want it back. A similar analogy would be to demand all of the money you paid in sales tax should the tax be repealed--that's just silly talk.

That's an impossible outcome/solution to the problem and you prefer to take that position in an attempt to do nothing more than b!tch about the program or lack thereof. Maybe it's not me that's being the 'fugging ahole' here (to borrow your term, not mine).

The program will dry up and die, hopefully, before it winds up costing the entire federal budget (about the time you and I retire). I will take comfort in knowing that Cannibal will still be b!tching about the program not because it is there, but now because it's gone.

[Cannibal]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCTitus [/i]
[B]The name calling is a nice touch, Cannibal, but I will abstain, thanks.

Again, your money has already disappeared. You have said you dont care that it's already gone, you want it back. A similar analogy would be to demand all of the money you paid in sales tax should the tax be repealed--that's just silly talk.

That's an impossible outcome/solution to the problem and you prefer to take that position in an attempt to do nothing more than b!tch about the program or lack thereof. Maybe it's not me that's being the 'fugging ahole' here (to borrow your term, not mine).

The program will dry up and die, hopefully, before it winds up costing the entire federal budget (about the time you and I retire). I will take comfort in knowing that Cannibal will still be b!tching about the program not because it is there, but now because it's gone. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually it's not impossible at all. Just cut spending in other areas enough to get the money to pay back the SS taxes. Cut some from every program until you have enough.

And don't go acting all high and mighty like you don't call names. Remember the Steve Bono [your favorite player] comments?

[KCTitus]

LOL! Where'd that come from? If I remember, it wasn't I who said anything about Bono. Matter of fact, all I did was ask you to prove where anyone had said anything that you were claiming--ie, you were putting words in peoples mouths. As I recall, my comments were mere reciprocation.

Nevertheless, Maybe we could stick to the topic, huh?

It's impossible. Im sure you realize, but dont really care, that SS and Medicare are the biggest budget items in the federal budget right now...to refund 20 years of that money would require the federal budget to be zero for more than a few years to 'refund' this money. Truthfully, if you really wanted to do this, the proper way would be to stop paying the beneficiaries that received the money from you and I and those in our generation that will not receive it until we were paid back. Of course anyone in their right mind wouldnt do that, so you're safe to continue b!tching about the problem without getting realistic about a solution.