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Old 04-27-2008, 02:40 PM  
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Draft Analysis: Croyle Undisputed #1 QB?
So does this mean Croyle is Herm's guy?
After all the speculation and coveting of Brohm and Ryan and others, KC did not draft a QB (through the 6th rd).

What do you think? From my foxhole, it looks like Herm/Gailey are willing to go into 2008 with Croyle at #1 on the depth chart.
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:24 PM   #31
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Like I said earlier, I think Brady Quinn will be looking to get out of Cleveland someday.
Maybe, but Anderson is going to have to make a believer out of me. I don't think he'll repeat his '07 effort.
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Maybe, but Anderson is going to have to make a believer out of me. I don't think he'll repeat his '07 effort.
Would you give up a #1 in '09 for Quinn?
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:25 PM   #33
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Seems plausible, tho I don't know why you would waste an entire NFL season on a guy who "might" be your QBotF...

Once Ryan was gone, they had no choice.

Any other QB the Chiefs drafted, would have been no better than Croyle this year, so they might as well see if Croyle grows with this young team. At least give him a chance.

If he can stay healthy the whole year (doubtful), then we should all have a pretty decent ided of what hes going to be.
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Once Ryan was gone, they had no choice.

Any other QB the Chiefs drafted, would have been no better than Croyle this year, so they might as well see if Croyle grows with this young team. At least give him a chance.

If he can stay healthy the whole year (doubtful), then we should all have a pretty decent ided of what hes going to be.
There were some mock drafts that had us taking Andre Woodson #1 this year. Anyone know who took him?
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Would you give up a #1 in '09 for Quinn?
No. If Quinn gets on the field and looks like a franchise QB, Cleveland won't get rid of him. If he doesn't get on the field, we'd be giving up way too much for a player we wouldn't know that much about. The Chiefs need all the talent they can get; keep as many high picks as possible.
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There were some mock drafts that had us taking Andre Woodson #1 this year. Anyone know who took him?
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No. If Quinn gets on the field and looks like a franchise QB, Cleveland won't get rid of him. If he doesn't get on the field, we'd be giving up way too much for a player we wouldn't know that much about. The Chiefs need all the talent they can get; keep as many high picks as possible.

Up give up a 2nd for him now. But not a #1 without having seen him play.
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Up give up a 2nd for him now. But not a #1 without having seen him play.
Maybe, but giving up high-round picks is how the Chiefs found themselves in the position that they're in.
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Maybe, but giving up high-round picks is how the Chiefs found themselves in the position that they're in.

Bad drafting is what got them in this position.

Sims, Freeman, Siavii, Wilson were awful.

Id saying giving up a #1 for Trent Green worked out ok.
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Would you give up a #1 in '09 for Quinn?
No way.

Why?

Additionally, Cleveland is under NO pressure to deal him.

Why would they?
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Id saying giving up a #1 for Trent Green worked out ok.
I think the only way you can say it worked out "okay" is if the Chiefs would have won a playoff game, if not more.

Giving up the #12 pick overall for a QB that plays for only 5 seasons is an extremely hefty price to pay, especially when those teams were 6-10, 8-8, 13-3, 7-9 & 10-6. Not exactly impressive, regardless of who's "at fault".

I know everyone around here LOVES the gaudy stats but at the end of the day, that's all they were: Stats.
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I think the only way you can say it worked out "okay" is if the Chiefs would have won a playoff game, if not more.

Giving up the #12 pick overall for a QB that plays for only 5 seasons is an extremely hefty price to pay, especially when those teams were 6-10, 8-8, 13-3, 7-9 & 10-6. Not exactly impressive, regardless of who's "at fault".

I know everyone around here LOVES the gaudy stats but at the end of the day, that's all they were: Stats.
I wont disagree with any of that.

I will ask who the Chiefs could have picked in 2001 (QB) that would have produced more than Trent Green?

It was a good trade.
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I think the only way you can say it worked out "okay" is if the Chiefs would have won a playoff game, if not more.

Giving up the #12 pick overall for a QB that plays for only 5 seasons is an extremely hefty price to pay, especially when those teams were 6-10, 8-8, 13-3, 7-9 & 10-6. Not exactly impressive, regardless of who's "at fault".

I know everyone around here LOVES the gaudy stats but at the end of the day, that's all they were: Stats.
These are the guys that were @ the pick on the board (I think)

20 St. Louis Rams Archuleta, Adam Defensive Back Arizona State
21 Buffalo Bills (from Tampa Bay)[11] Clements, Nate Defensive Back Ohio State
22 New York Giants (from Indianapolis)[13] Allen, Will Defensive Back Syracuse
23 New Orleans Saints McAllister, Deuce Running Back Mississippi
24 Denver Broncos Middlebrooks, Willie Defensive Back Minnesota
25 Philadelphia Eagles Mitchell, Freddie Wide Receiver UCLA
26 Miami Dolphins Fletcher, Jamar Defensive Back Wisconsin
27 Minnesota Vikings Bennet, Michael Bennett Running Back Wisconsin
28 Oakland Raiders Gibson, Derrick Defensive Back Florida State
29 St. Louis Rams (from Tennessee)[14] Pickett, Ryan Defensive Tackle Ohio State
30 Indianapolis Colts (from N.Y. Giants)[13] Wayne, Reggie Wide Receiver Miami (FL)
31 Baltimore Ravens Heap, Todd
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