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**Tribal Warfare** · 03-01-2009, 08:37 PM

Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk
March 1, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

Could the Patriots have had a first and third-round picks for Matt Cassel? Could they have had at least the No. 12 choice for the New England quarterback? Did the Broncos really offer to trade Jay Cutler if they could get Cassel?

The NFL was still bubbling with chatter about the deal between the Chiefs and Patriots that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Kansas City with a second-round draft choice heading to New England.

And if there are any truths to the stories being told around the league, then Saturday morning had to be a very interesting time for Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

Let’s see if we can weave all this together.

Everyone knew Friday that Vrabel was headed to the Chiefs. The fact he was in Kansas City for a physical was important because the linebacker apparently was bothered by a shoulder injury last season and some Boston media outlets have reported he needs surgery on that shoulder.

But while Vrabel was obviously important as far as the Chiefs and Scott Pioli were concerned, the rest of the league was not much interested in the veteran linebacker.

There was, however, interest in Cassel. But apparently, before Saturday there were not a lot of teams expressing that interest to the Patriots. Two factors may have held teams back: the $14.65 million franchise tag that Cassel carries and the fact that making a deal for the quarterback would require high draft choice compensation.

As the new NFL fiscal season started late Thursday evening, the Chiefs were the team standing at the counter, ready to place an order for Cassel. When nobody else showed up, Belilchick and Pioli put together the parameters of a deal.

That was in place Saturday morning. That’s when the rest of the league got wind of what the price tag was and suddenly, teams shifted into gear. Tampa Bay and Detroit reportedly were the two teams that expressed interest and they drew Denver into the situation.

Here’s what was going down, according to the NFL Network’s Adam Schefter: a three-team trade was proposed. Tampa Bay’s first round pick (No. 19) would go to New England. The Broncos would send Jay Cutler to the Bucs and the Patriots would send Cassel to Denver. Remember, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is now the head coach of the Broncos.

Apparently when that wouldn’t come together, the Broncos offered their first-round pick (No. 12) straight up for Cassel and the Buccaneers offered a first and third round picks.

If any of this is true, then why is Cassel in Kansas City and not Denver or Tampa Bay? There can only be one answer: the Patriots deal with the Chiefs was done, and Belichick wasn’t going to back out at the last minute. That might be true with anyone in his dealings with anyone, but it would especially be true of someone who is a friend and former colleague.

If the bubbling grapevine is even close to accurate, and we’ll never know because Belichick and Pioli won’t talk about what happened, then Cassel is with the Chiefs because Pioli was a step ahead of the rest of the league.

RINGLEADER · 03-01-2009, 11:04 PM

I remember the last time all the pundits through we stole a player away from someone else...

Hopefully Cassel turns out better than Ryan Sims did...

Reerun_KC · 03-01-2009, 11:08 PM

I am going on out on a limb here and use a "true fan" saying...

But I am "not sold" on Cassel, He isn't "proven" (Another True fan'ism) enough...

Chieftain58 · 03-01-2009, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

lol if any of these deals are true the chiefs should flip cassel to the next highest bidder.

I love it.. trade him for Cutler!

Reerun_KC · 03-01-2009, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieftain58

I love it.. trade him for Cutler!

I would trade him in a heartbeat if someone would offer a 1st for him....

Wouldnt even second guess it...

mikey23545 · 03-01-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Other than Brady being drafted by the Pats, who has ever traded a 1st day pick for a 7th round QB and won a championship?

Anyone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No 7th round QB has won a Super Bowl.

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't believe mecca likes Sanchez's upside any more than me.

I'd have been dancing if this deal had somehow fell through.

And The Fourteen continue to twist painfully in the wind...

Messier · 03-01-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I would trade him in a heartbeat if someone would offer a 1st for him....

Wouldnt even second guess it...

This was a good deal. I don't want to get rid of him I have high hopes that he will be the QB here for many years.

That being said. No team would give up a 1st for him now. They'd say, you gave up a 2nd that's what we'll offer.

Tiger's Fan · 03-01-2009, 11:25 PM

No one could possibly have wanted Cassel other than Pioli, at any price. The numerous media outlets reporting this must have collaborated to spread lies at the expense of Pioli and the Chiefs. /blubbering moronic idiots

**KcMizzou** · 03-01-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

No one could possibly have wanted Cassel other than Pioli, at any price. The numerous media outlets reporting this must have collaborated to spread lies at the expense of Pioli and the Chiefs. /blubbering moronic idiots

I hate when I agree with you.

**DeezNutz** · 03-01-2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Okay. Right, the second was for Vermiel. Close enough.

If Cassel turns in the same numbers, or anything close to what Green did here, I'll be smiling.

Green was a really nice player. And by all accounts a great guy.

But why are so many fans content without having our own franchise QB? Green, unfortunately, was never in this category.

I hope Cassel is much more than what Green was, and it speaks to how much the QB position has been undervalued that we often hold up a nice, system guy as a model for what we hope or would be happy to have.

Sorry, but I want and expect more.

**KcMizzou** · 03-01-2009, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Green was a really nice player. And by all accounts a great guy.

But why are so many fans content without having our own franchise QB? Green, unfortunately, was never in this category.

I hope Cassel is much more than what Green was, and it speaks to how much the QB position has been undervalued that we often hold up a nice, system guy as a model for what we hope or would be happy to have.

Sorry, but I want and expect more.

Cassell's going on 27 years old.

He's got a full year of experience in the NFL as a starting QB. And in that year, he played exceptionally well.

He's a steal, plain and simple. I wanted to draft a QB too, but really this works out better...

We got our QB, and kept the #3 pick.

Reerun_KC · 03-01-2009, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey23545

And The Fourteen continue to twist painfully in the wind...

Your right, it was a crushing blow...

It wasnt ideal by any means, but hey, this franchise actually thought Herm was a NFL level coach... So that tells us something...

Reerun_KC · 03-01-2009, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Cassell's going on 27 years old.

He's got a full year of experience in the NFL as a starting QB. And in that year, he played exceptionally well.

He's a steal, plain and simple. I wanted to draft a QB too, but really this works out better...

We got our QB, and kept the #3 pick.

I think and reserve judgement until he plays a year without Moss and Welker before I annoint him the next Thigpen...

Tiger's Fan · 03-02-2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Cassell's going on 27 years old.

He's got a full year of experience in the NFL as a starting QB. And in that year, he played exceptionally well.

He's a steal, plain and simple. I wanted to draft a QB too, but really this works out better...

We got our QB, and kept the #3 pick.

Like you, I wanted a QB at any cost. I never thought it was feasable to get a proven one (albeit just one season) for a 2nd. I'm eccstatic about the deal, and in keeping our #3, we can address one of the many other holes we already had. And with a franchise type player to boot. I can't believe the uproar this has caused. This might be the best deal ever struck by any Chiefs FO.

Chiefaholic · 03-02-2009, 12:05 AM

They'll have to get him some O-Line protection and another offensive threat to throw to befor you could truely evaluate him.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-02-2009, 12:07 AM

This is hilarious. We're gonna' come out on top regardless, so I'm not particularly worried about anything. That said, you'd be wise to commit the following to memory:

Whatever the end game in this affair may be, you'd best remember that assuming you know Pioli's mind is a dangerous game to play, and that this is a whole new way of doing business, and that the old Carl Parameters of "what you see is what you get" do...not...apply.

This isn't "hey, we like him, let's get him"! This is chess.

03-01-2009, 08:37 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3027187	Gretz: Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk March 1, 2009 - Bob Gretz \| Could the Patriots have had a first and third-round picks for Matt Cassel? Could they have had at least the No. 12 choice for the New England quarterback? Did the Broncos really offer to trade Jay Cutler if they could get Cassel? The NFL was still bubbling with chatter about the deal between the Chiefs and Patriots that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Kansas City with a second-round draft choice heading to New England. And if there are any truths to the stories being told around the league, then Saturday morning had to be a very interesting time for Bill Belichick and the Patriots. Let’s see if we can weave all this together. Everyone knew Friday that Vrabel was headed to the Chiefs. The fact he was in Kansas City for a physical was important because the linebacker apparently was bothered by a shoulder injury last season and some Boston media outlets have reported he needs surgery on that shoulder. But while Vrabel was obviously important as far as the Chiefs and Scott Pioli were concerned, the rest of the league was not much interested in the veteran linebacker. There was, however, interest in Cassel. But apparently, before Saturday there were not a lot of teams expressing that interest to the Patriots. Two factors may have held teams back: the $14.65 million franchise tag that Cassel carries and the fact that making a deal for the quarterback would require high draft choice compensation. As the new NFL fiscal season started late Thursday evening, the Chiefs were the team standing at the counter, ready to place an order for Cassel. When nobody else showed up, Belilchick and Pioli put together the parameters of a deal. That was in place Saturday morning. That’s when the rest of the league got wind of what the price tag was and suddenly, teams shifted into gear. Tampa Bay and Detroit reportedly were the two teams that expressed interest and they drew Denver into the situation. Here’s what was going down, according to the NFL Network’s Adam Schefter: a three-team trade was proposed. Tampa Bay’s first round pick (No. 19) would go to New England. The Broncos would send Jay Cutler to the Bucs and the Patriots would send Cassel to Denver. Remember, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is now the head coach of the Broncos. Apparently when that wouldn’t come together, the Broncos offered their first-round pick (No. 12) straight up for Cassel and the Buccaneers offered a first and third round picks. If any of this is true, then why is Cassel in Kansas City and not Denver or Tampa Bay? There can only be one answer: the Patriots deal with the Chiefs was done, and Belichick wasn’t going to back out at the last minute. That might be true with anyone in his dealings with anyone, but it would especially be true of someone who is a friend and former colleague. If the bubbling grapevine is even close to accurate, and we’ll never know because Belichick and Pioli won’t talk about what happened, then Cassel is with the Chiefs because Pioli was a step ahead of the rest of the league.
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Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	I am going on out on a limb here and use a "true fan" saying... But I am "not sold" on Cassel, He isn't "proven" (Another True fan'ism) enough...
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03-02-2009, 12:07 AM	#45
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