NFL Draft Broncos' Draft - Page 3

Mile High Mania · 04-27-2009, 02:55 PM

Ok, so I've been gone since Friday... and have only now really been able to start digesting all that happened over the weekend. My first thoughts were "Crap - they didn't go defense with that first pick." And, my second thought was "They did what with the 2010 R1 pick?"

So, after I have read through the various information, I'm content with what happened. I mean, seriously... like I have another option.

Anyway - in regards to Moreno, I love the idea of having him on the team, I think he's very talented and is going to be an integral part of that offense, especially with Orton as QB. An average QBs best friend is a hell of a supporting cast. Denver has a nice oline, great young receivers and now... a true lead threat at RB. I will be interested to see how the depth shakes out with the mass of options they have at this time. And, for a team that is likely going to field a questionable defense against a brutal schedule... a strong running game should help, so from that aspect I like the pick.

DEF - I like Ayers... while I would have preferred them trading up for Raji or going DEF/DEF... I like this guy as a strong addition to the front 7.

Alphonso Smith... better be worth the trade and while he received high marks prior to the draft, I'm just a bit surprised the made the move to get him. I know they can definitely use him, I'm just surprised that he is the DEF option they took after making the trade.

I like McBath and Bruton... both should be good contributors, I was hoping McBath would be on their radar.

Quinn... I dunno what to think really, not sure he's the answer to any significant question they had, but we'll see.

The final 4 picks (Olsen, McKinley, Brandstater, Schlueter)... are bit players at this point and we'll see if any of them stick.

Maybe the Broncos really love their DEF cast of characters they have now, but I do wonder if they missed out by not going DEF/DEF in Round 1.

I haven't had a chance to look for the threads from this site that likely had all the bashing of Broncos' picks, but I'll find it.

The first 4 seletions should have an impact this year... they'll essentially define the success or failure of the draft. I'll go pick through the UDFA updates soon, but I read that it looks like they went DL/LB heavy.

Ok.. feel free to post and tell me why they sucked.

58kcfan89 · 04-27-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SBK

No, Moreno is a stud. I don't think RB's are worth taking that high, but there's not a team in the league that wouldn't want a guy like Moreno in the backfield.

Atlanta? Minnesota? Carolina? Tennessee?

There's a few that have backs a lot better (and obviously more proven) than Moreno. Just sayin'. I would think Moreno would be great in Philly, Houston, Baltimore & a few other places, but I don't know how well he's gunna fit in with what Denver has right now. Remember, this isn't the Shanarat offense anymore.

As someone already said, teams will probably load up on Moreno & make Orton beat them with his arm, something I don't think he'll be able to do consistently.

Valiant · 04-27-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

The guy was a two-time All-American. He's short. The Broncos rated him as a first-round talent.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about him, but IF he's a first-rounder then I'm totally onboard with going for him aggressively.

One-year = one-round in NFL trades traditionally. Carolina knows this, too (Otah, Brown).

Hopefully for you it works out, I am hoping it does not as a Chiefs fan..

I just don't see him transitioning that well in the NFL as a DB against the bigger/faster NFL WR's.. He is a great tackler though..

easymobee · 04-27-2009, 05:04 PM

I pray to the football gods that Tyson Jackson and Dorsey join the 1st round scrapheap that is currently populated by Hali and Sims. Hopefully 1st round DL becomes what Bill Buckner was to Sox fans. Curse.
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**Reaper16** · 04-27-2009, 05:04 PM

The Broncos UDFA class has a lot more value than their horrible draft.

patteeu · 04-27-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

They started the year with Cutler - now they don't have him. Why not use all the picks they got for him NOW just to get back as close as they can to where they started?

Would you have been happier, less happy, or the same degree of happiness if the Cutler trade had returned a 2009 2nd rounder instead of the 2010 1st rounder? I'm more interested in the 1st rounder unless I expect the team who originally held it is going to be really good, which brings me to the other aspect of the Bronco's draft day trade...

Unless I'm mistaken, the Broncos traded their own 2010 first rather than the 2010 first acquired from Chicago. My expectation is that the Broncos are going to be worse than Chicago next year so IMO they gave up their best 2010 pick. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver ends up with a top 10 drafting position. If so, that would be a big price to pay for that CB. The flip side, of course, is that this seems to indicate some degree of confidence on the part of the Denver brain trust that the team will be good enough in the upcoming season to end up with later draft position thereby reducing the ultimate cost of the transaction. Time will tell.

**HemiEd** · 04-27-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...

Yeah, I had a few chuckles over that myself.

**the Talking Can** · 04-27-2009, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange

The guy was a two-time All-American. He's short. The Broncos rated him as a first-round talent.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about him, but IF he's a first-rounder then I'm totally onboard with going for him aggressively.

One-year = one-round in NFL trades traditionally. Carolina knows this, too (Otah, Brown).

you gave up what could easily be a top 15 pick in 2010 for a 2nd round CB

no CB is worth that in todays' NFL.....what did Champ Bailey get you?

easymobee · 04-27-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you gave up what could easily be a top 15 pick in 2010 for a 2nd round CB

no CB is worth that in todays' NFL.....what did Champ Bailey get you?

Your team gave up a 3rd overall pick for tyson jackson
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**DaFace** · 04-27-2009, 05:11 PM

My overall reaction to the Broncos draft is that they got a lot of good PLAYERS, so that may pay off for them well in the long run. The places I think they went awry were:

1) Players don't really fit their needs
2) Gave up way too much to trade up

Denver Dave · 04-27-2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf

One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...

And what's worse, Denver now has a coach that believes in utilizing fewer resources (late round picks) on QBs, the most important position on the field. As oppose to the position (RB) where short shelf life, wear-and-tear and attrition limit the amount of production you'll get.

**the Talking Can** · 04-27-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by easymobee

Your team gave up a 3rd overall pick for tyson jackson
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yeah

and?

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by easymobee

Your team gave up a 3rd overall pick for tyson jackson
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Your team traded their franchise QB who's just hitting his prime. All because they wanted our QB.

orange · 04-27-2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Would you have been happier, less happy, or the same degree of happiness if the Cutler trade had returned a 2009 2nd rounder instead of the 2010 1st rounder? I'm more interested in the 1st rounder unless I expect the team who originally held it is going to be really good, which brings me to the other aspect of the Bronco's draft day trade...

Unless I'm mistaken, the Broncos traded their own 2010 first rather than the 2010 first acquired from Chicago. My expectation is that the Broncos are going to be worse than Chicago next year so IMO they gave up their best 2010 pick. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver ends up with a top 10 drafting position. If so, that would be a big price to pay for that CB. The flip side, of course, is that this seems to indicate some degree of confidence on the part of the Denver brain trust that the team will be good enough in the upcoming season to end up with later draft position thereby reducing the ultimate cost of the transaction. Time will tell.

I always considered that trade as a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I actually do value future picks one level down (you can have a look at a thread by Rain Man last Friday where we discussed this at length http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...=206430&page=3). This trade didn't shock me at all. I was surprised by the pick - I expected Brace at that point.

As for missing a possible top 10 pick - I don't think it will happen, but even if it does - THAT'S A GOOD THING. High draft picks have become a curse, not a blessing. Look at this year - the Chiefs are going to have to pay franchise-QB money to a DE expected to be drafted at 12 because they couldn't move the pick. San Francisco's GM was quoted last week as saying he'd been contacted by 7 of the 9 teams picking before him that wanted to trade down.

No big loss if you ask me.

Adept Havelock · 04-27-2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Your team traded their franchise QB who's just hitting his prime. All because they wanted our QB.

Good point.

vailpass · 04-27-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

And a guy who's running back committees in New England were arguably worse than Shanahan's.

Arguably worse than Shannahan's? Go see where Denver ranked in the league in rushing over Shanny's tenure in Denver.

04-27-2009, 02:55 PM
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $837229	Broncos' Draft Ok, so I've been gone since Friday... and have only now really been able to start digesting all that happened over the weekend. My first thoughts were "Crap - they didn't go defense with that first pick." And, my second thought was "They did what with the 2010 R1 pick?" So, after I have read through the various information, I'm content with what happened. I mean, seriously... like I have another option. Anyway - in regards to Moreno, I love the idea of having him on the team, I think he's very talented and is going to be an integral part of that offense, especially with Orton as QB. An average QBs best friend is a hell of a supporting cast. Denver has a nice oline, great young receivers and now... a true lead threat at RB. I will be interested to see how the depth shakes out with the mass of options they have at this time. And, for a team that is likely going to field a questionable defense against a brutal schedule... a strong running game should help, so from that aspect I like the pick. DEF - I like Ayers... while I would have preferred them trading up for Raji or going DEF/DEF... I like this guy as a strong addition to the front 7. Alphonso Smith... better be worth the trade and while he received high marks prior to the draft, I'm just a bit surprised the made the move to get him. I know they can definitely use him, I'm just surprised that he is the DEF option they took after making the trade. I like McBath and Bruton... both should be good contributors, I was hoping McBath would be on their radar. Quinn... I dunno what to think really, not sure he's the answer to any significant question they had, but we'll see. The final 4 picks (Olsen, McKinley, Brandstater, Schlueter)... are bit players at this point and we'll see if any of them stick. Maybe the Broncos really love their DEF cast of characters they have now, but I do wonder if they missed out by not going DEF/DEF in Round 1. I haven't had a chance to look for the threads from this site that likely had all the bashing of Broncos' picks, but I'll find it. The first 4 seletions should have an impact this year... they'll essentially define the success or failure of the draft. I'll go pick through the UDFA updates soon, but I read that it looks like they went DL/LB heavy. Ok.. feel free to post and tell me why they sucked.
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easymobee _\|_ (^_^) _\|_ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Playoffs Casino cash: $10005075	I pray to the football gods that Tyson Jackson and Dorsey join the 1st round scrapheap that is currently populated by Hali and Sims. Hopefully 1st round DL becomes what Bill Buckner was to Sox fans. Curse. Posted via Mobile Device
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04-27-2009, 05:11 PM	#39
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1973101	My overall reaction to the Broncos draft is that they got a lot of good PLAYERS, so that may pay off for them well in the long run. The places I think they went awry were: 1) Players don't really fit their needs 2) Gave up way too much to trade up
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