Game manager. What is that exactly?

[bandwagonjumper]

I'm not sure I agree. He made some huge plays in the playoffs. The difference between Alex Smith and Russell Wilson is that when the game was on the line Russell made the plays and Alex didn't.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper

I'm not sure I agree. He made some huge plays in the playoffs. The difference between Alex Smith and Russell Wilson is that when the game was on the line Russell made the plays and Alex didn't.

Alex Smith did more in 1 game than Russel did in 2 games.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper

I'm not sure I agree. He made some huge plays in the playoffs. The difference between Alex Smith and Russell Wilson is that when the game was on the line Russell made the plays and Alex didn't.

Yeah, that was the difference. It had nothing to do with protecting a lead with a 3rd string RB and a lousy over conservative gameplan.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper

I'm not sure I agree. He made some huge plays in the playoffs. The difference between Alex Smith and Russell Wilson is that when the game was on the line Russell made the plays and Alex didn't.

The difference was that Sherman got the interception while Luck recovered the fumble and scored.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

The difference was that Sherman got the interception while Luck recovered the fumble and scored.

Kap threw an inaccurate ball that was tipped for an INT that ended the game. Poor game management.

[Jimmya]

1 and done for Smith. ....sad but true.

[Mr. Laz]

Alex Smith 2013 POSTSEASON GAME LOG			PASSING										RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	QBR	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
Sat 1/4	@ IND	L 44-45	30	46	378	65.2	8.22	79	4	0	81.9	119.7	8	57	7.1	16	0
POSTSEASON STATS			30	46	378	65.2	8.22	79	4	0	81.9	119.7	8	57	7.1	16	0

Russell Wilson 2013 POSTSEASON GAME LOG			PASSING										RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	QBR	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
Sat 1/11	vs NO	W 23-15	9	18	103	50.0	5.72	25	0	0	25.9	67.6	3	16	5.3	8	0
Sun 1/19	vs SF	W 23-17	16	25	215	64.0	8.60	51	1	0	38.9	104.6	5	0	0.0	3	0
POSTSEASON STATS			25	43	318	58.1	7.40	51	1	0	34.3	89.1	8	16	2.0	8	0

[BossChief]

A game manager takes the easy route all of the time. He goes through progressions and finds the open man and gets the ball to him in a manner that requires throws that are very safe. At least 2/3 of his throws are check downs to the backs. His offense requires a balanced attack so that he has the advantage in the passing game of having the opposing safeties having to respect the run. Their production is a direct reflection of he talent around them. These types of players commonly take more sacks than average and throw the ball away a lot. Typically, they average right at 1td per game with somewhere around 200 yards passing per week.

A playmaking quarterback has the skills necessary to anticipate where receivers are going to be and to throw them open. He looks to his playmakers and finds ways to get the ball to them even when they are double teamed by being able to adjust his velocity, trajectory and placement of the ball to beat the double team and make the plays when the biggest moments are there to be made. A playmaking quarterback always has his eyes down the field looking for the big play and only settles for the "check down" as a last resort. A playmaking quarterback spends extra time with his receivers and tight ends to develop timing and chemistry and almost always knows where his guys are going to be and what they are thinking. A playmaker understands the strengths and weaknesses of the people he faces during games so that he can properly assess mismatches on the fly and adjust his blocking and move the pocket in an attempt to neutralize key elements of the opposing defense.

There are tons of other factors, but tats a nice start.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

A game manager takes the easy route all of the time. He goes through progressions and finds the open man and gets the ball to him in a manner that requires throws that are very safe. At least 2/3 of his throws are check downs to the backs. His offense requires a balanced attack so that he has the advantage in the passing game of having the opposing safeties having to respect the run. Their production is a direct reflection of he talent around them. These types of players commonly take more sacks than average and throw the ball away a lot. Typically, they average right at 1td per game with somewhere around 200 yards passing per week.

A playmaking quarterback has the skills necessary to anticipate where receivers are going to be and to throw them open. He looks to his playmakers and finds ways to get the ball to them even when they are double teamed by being able to adjust his velocity, trajectory and placement of the ball to beat the double team and make the plays when the biggest moments are there to be made. A playmaking quarterback always has his eyes down the field looking for the big play and only settles for the "check down" as a last resort. A playmaking quarterback spends extra time with his receivers and tight ends to develop timing and chemistry and almost always knows where his guys are going to be and what they are thinking. A playmaker understands the strengths and weaknesses of the people he faces during games so that he can properly assess mismatches on the fly and adjust his blocking and move the pocket in an attempt to neutralize key elements of the opposing defense.

There are tons of other factors, but tats a nice start.

You are describing a conservative QB. Not a game manager. The QB you described is often not nearly as good as advertised in game management because they create too many three and outs, and put the defense in lousy field position. The best game managers can grind out long drives, win time of possession, and are nails in third down situations. And I think it takes a good QB to play huddle offense versus trying to catch defenses off guard with a fast paced offense. They are true game managers because they are dictating the pace of the game. These types of qbs can also flex to what the game gives them. When Elis defense slips up, he can put up a 300 yard game.

Alex smith this first half of the year was poorly labeled as a game manager. His third down efficiency was not that good.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by BossChief

A game manager takes the easy route all of the time. He goes through progressions and finds the open man and gets the ball to him in a manner that requires throws that are very safe. At least 2/3 of his throws are check downs to the backs. His offense requires a balanced attack so that he has the advantage in the passing game of having the opposing safeties having to respect the run. Their production is a direct reflection of he talent around them. These types of players commonly take more sacks than average and throw the ball away a lot. Typically, they average right at 1td per game with somewhere around 200 yards passing per week.

A playmaking quarterback has the skills necessary to anticipate where receivers are going to be and to throw them open. He looks to his playmakers and finds ways to get the ball to them even when they are double teamed by being able to adjust his velocity, trajectory and placement of the ball to beat the double team and make the plays when the biggest moments are there to be made. A playmaking quarterback always has his eyes down the field looking for the big play and only settles for the "check down" as a last resort. A playmaking quarterback spends extra time with his receivers and tight ends to develop timing and chemistry and almost always knows where his guys are going to be and what they are thinking. A playmaker understands the strengths and weaknesses of the people he faces during games so that he can properly assess mismatches on the fly and adjust his blocking and move the pocket in an attempt to neutralize key elements of the opposing defense.

There are tons of other factors, but tats a nice start.

Thanks BossChief. That's what I was wondering. By your definition it seems like time spent with the receivers is a critical part of that formula to "develop timing and chemistry". Would you agree then that a qb who hasn't had the opportunity to spend that much time with his receivers is better served to try to just be a game manager?

[MAYHEM]

I dunno, you call it.

[listopencil]

Game manager:

Executes the gameplan for that week within the structure of the offensive system built by the coaching staff.

Strengths would be: accuracy, low turnover rate, taking advantage of high percentage pass options in decision making, high situational awareness of the game clock and the play clock, risk averse play offset by a determined effort to get the ball into the hands of the playmakers on the team.

I'd say Kap (for instance) makes up for his deficiencies as a game manager by relying on his skills as a playmaker. He balances his inaccuracy and mental lapses with a strong arm and ability to run the ball. I would also say that he will need to improve his game manager skills as his playmaking skills will deteriorate over time, and that he is at an important crossroads in his career. As much as his cannon and his legs helped the 9ers to the NFC Championship Game, his poor throw led directly to the INT that cost them that game.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Game manager:

Executes the gameplan for that week within the structure of the offensive system built by the coaching staff.

Strengths would be: accuracy, low turnover rate, taking advantage of high percentage pass options in decision making, high situational awareness of the game clock and the play clock, risk averse play offset by a determined effort to get the ball into the hands of the playmakers on the team.

Pretty good definition listopencil. Can't see anything I would disagree with.

[Rausch]

"Game manager. What is that exactly?"


He's the parent of a player that decides when $#it gets real and attacks an ump and beats him without mercy...

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by Rausch

"Game manager. What is that exactly?"


He's the parent of a player that decides when $#it gets real and attacks an ump and beats him without mercy...

Hey! That ump kept hitting my hand with his face!