Dorsey loves the box safeties in this draft

[RunKC]

@TerezPaylor: One thing to keep in mind about a Berry trade: #Chiefs GM John Dorsey told me Friday that there are a lot of good box safeties in this draft


Well...

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

a) But how much do you save in the long run by extending a guy who's going to demand all pro money to be a rover-safety that doesn't create turnovers



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b) What happens if it turns out he's better suited to be an in-the box tackler rather than FS?

I touched on this in another thread but Eric Berry averages just under 3 INTs a season while Earl Thomas averages just under 4. There's not a huge difference between the two as far as forcing turnovers goes..

I'd be willing to bet Thomas capped the market off at $10 a year for safeties. I wouldn't expect Berry to get a dime more than that.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Why do you assume he isn't going to create turnovers as a FS?

1 FF 3 INT's 2 of which went back for touchdowns and 3.5 sacks. Berry has more QB hurries and sacks than any Safety in the NFL. The guy has all the TE coverage responsibilities, can play up in the box snuffing out the run, can get after the QB. Seems like an all around good football player. Earl Thomas is more superior in the instincts department being the top FS in the NFL, but Berry would be a top 5 FS if given the chance to play the position.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I touched on this in another thread but Eric Berry averages just under 3 INTs a season while Earl Thomas averages just under 4. There's not a huge difference between the two as far as forcing turnovers goes..

I'd be willing to bet Thomas capped the market off at $10 a year for safeties. I wouldn't expect Berry to get a dime more than that.

Contracts inflate by the year. I wouldn't be surprised if he got more than Thomas at all, especially if he makes All Pro and has yet another great year AGAIN.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

There is no logic in trading Eric Berry. None. Don't even try to rationalize it.

The only reason for trading a young, uber talented, fan favorite All-Pro safety is because you're too cheap to pay him what he's worth.

And that's the stupidest reason ever and only a shitty franchise would do such a thing.

I agree with you 100% here. It's like suggesting trading Charles.

After losing a playoff game with a 28 point lead, any suggestion of losing arguably our best defensive player is nonsense.

We need to add more talent, not get rid of it. There is a reason teams with a good defense get to a Super Bowl, and it wasn't from trading away their defensive talent.

This suggestion must come from someone who started following the chiefs after the vermeil years.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Warpaint69

1 FF 3 INT's 2 of which went back for touchdowns and 3.5 sacks. Berry has more QB hurries and sacks than any Safety in the NFL. The guy has all the TE coverage responsibilities, can play up in the box snuffing out the run, can get after the QB. Seems like an all around good football player. Earl Thomas is more superior in the instincts department being the top FS in the NFL, but Berry would be a top 5 FS if given the chance to play the position.

Yup.

Berry is incredibly versatile. It's a gift and a curse. Calling him a "LB masquerading as a S" is just silly.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Why do you assume he isn't going to create turnovers as a FS?

I was going off Pest's duality.

Either they're going to keep Berry in his current role, which -I'll Q myself here (and aggravate a ****ton of posters here)- isn't worth extending him if he's just going to be a box safety in my opinion, OR they move him to FS which at least one poster has suggested will happen based off of the scheme Sutton used in the playoff game.

If they're rolling with the first option of keeping him as a rover then I'd say only re-sign him if he's willing to be paid less than his All Pro and PB resume suggests.

If they're going with the second, then you have to believe drafting yet another safety is in the cards to either backup Berry in the event he's not able to easily transition to the free, to find a guy able to replace Berry's role from 2010-2013 in case Hussain Abdullah isn't able to, or to hedge both of the aforementioned options as well as replace Sanders Commings if he's permanently broken.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Contracts inflate by the year. I wouldn't be surprised if he got more than Thomas at all, especially if he makes All Pro and has yet another great year AGAIN.

You're right. I was posting under the assumption that we extend him sometime before his contract is up.

If we wait until his contract expires and he adds another couple All-Pro seasons with the cap exploding, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get more than 10 a year.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yup.

Berry is incredibly versatile. It's a gift and a curse. Calling him a "LB masquerading as a S" is just silly.

One thing that made me laugh during Berry's press conference on the Chiefs website, Eric talking about Kendrick Lewis making all the adjustments and getting players into position. For a guy getting people into a position, he sure had one hell of a time getting himself into position to play a 2 deep failing to cover deeper than the deepest time and time again.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Who in the heck would want to get reminded how stupid this is every game?

This was probably started by Peyton manning or Phyllis rivers.

[Steron]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Either they're going to keep Berry in his current role, which -I'll Q myself here (and aggravate a ****ton of posters here)- isn't worth extending him if he's just going to be a box safety in my opinion.

I agree with this.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

I agree with you 100% here. It's like suggesting trading Charles.

After losing a playoff game with a 28 point lead, any suggestion of losing arguably our best defensive player is nonsense.

We need to add more talent, not get rid of it. There is a reason teams with a good defense get to a Super Bowl, and it wasn't from trading away their defensive talent.

This suggestion must come from someone who started following the chiefs after the vermeil years.

Posters at this forum sometimes forget how good some of our players really are and take them for granted.

You can't just say, "Teams don't need a great secondary, just get an elite Pass rush and an avg secondary".

Well that's a fine in theory and all that....but uh....where exactly are we going to get this elite Passrush? Look how long it took the Chiefs to get the passrushers they have now, and even then, they're still not god enough to get by without a good secondary.

Pass Rushers don't grow on trees, and if you don't have a great passrush, then you had better have a damn good secondary.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Also this....

Jason McIntyre ‏@jasonrmcintyre 19h

Mort on ESPN's best show (NFL Insiders): Andy Reid likes Brandin Cooks; GM John Dorsey likes bigger WRs. No 2nd rd pick. Tough spot for KC

Mort is full of shit. Is that why the Dorsey era Packers draft guys like Greg Jennings and Randall Cobb, both 5'10" receivers taken in the 2nd round?

[Steron]

Originally Posted by Warpaint69

One thing that made me laugh during Berry's press conference on the Chiefs website, Eric talking about Kendrick Lewis making all the adjustments and getting players into position. For a guy getting people into a position, he sure had one hell of a time getting himself into position to play a 2 deep failing to cover deeper than the deepest time and time again.

Losing the huge lead makes more sense now, doesn't it? Oof.

All kidding aside, Lewis was the scapegoat for that loss. He deserved the plate of doodoo he ate on here. In my mind, Sutton was as much to blame.

[Steron]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Posters at this forum sometimes forget how good some of our players really are and take them for granted.

You can't just say, "Teams don't need a great secondary, just get an elite Pass rush and an avg secondary".

Well that's a fine in theory and all that....but uh....where exactly are we going to get this elite Passrush? Look how long it took the Chiefs to get the passrushers they have now, and even then, they're still not god enough to get by without a good secondary.

Pass Rushers don't grow on trees, and if you don't have a great passrush, then you had better have a damn good secondary.

Unfortunately we have neither.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Steron

Losing the huge lead makes more sense now, doesn't it? Oof.

All kidding aside, Lewis was the scapegoat for that loss. He deserved the plate of doodoo he ate on here. In my mind, Sutton was as much to blame.

I agree, Sutton should take the heat for that loss.