Bob Sutton

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

You're so dead wrong….that is not our problem. WAY more pressing needs than that. Especially now with QB situation. Already have 2 great pass rushers in Houston and Hali. As far as a pass rushing lineman we already have that too in Catapano….all they have to do is play the guy. spending your only pick in 1st 2 rounds on a pass rusher when we have so many other glaring needs makes no sense.

You don't approach the draft that way.

There are always needs that you don't anticipate at the time.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

You're so dead wrong….that is not our problem. WAY more pressing needs than that. Especially now with QB situation. Already have 2 great pass rushers in Houston and Hali. As far as a pass rushing lineman we already have that too in Catapano….all they have to do is play the guy. spending your only pick in 1st 2 rounds on a pass rusher when we have so many other glaring needs makes no sense.

Another pass rusher, or 2, is absolutely a need.

And we already have Catapano?
What, exactly do we have there?

Do you know.
I sure as hell don't,

[OldSchool]

At this point I could give 2 shits about a draft prospect's ability to play the run. What I want to know is whether or not they can stick to a WR or TE like a fly to a piece of crap.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by milkman

So, again, I ask, given the limitations of the talent, what exactly did you expect Sutton to do?

Get those liabilities off the field. For example, in the last 2 games (SD, IND) Abdullah had 14 TKL, 2 PD, 2 INT. Why didnt he get more playing time or replace Lewis?

Why was Dunta Robinson on the 53 when it was obvious he was a liability from day 1? Does he, as a defensive coordinator have no say on who makes the roster or is on the gameday? Chiefs could have filled that spot with someone who could have contributed.

As mentioned before, why didnt he rotate the d-line better? They showed ability in wk 17 against SD.

A 3-4 D thrives on the pass rush (and ability) of the linebackers. When Houston/Hali were banged up, why didnt he switch to more 4-3 looks? I know nickel/dime defenses are all the rage, but they dont work when the linebackers/secondary are banged up.

If Sutton's D requires a quick, single high safety, than why didnt he try Berry there in preseason? Berry has world class speed compared to Lewis.

I hope Sutton learns from last yr. One way to start would be to move DeVito to LDE.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

Get those liabilities off the field. For example, in the last 2 games (SD, IND) Abdullah had 14 TKL, 2 PD, 2 INT. Why didnt he get more playing time or replace Lewis?

Why was Dunta Robinson on the 53 when it was obvious he was a liability from day 1? Does he, as a defensive coordinator have no say on who makes the roster or is on the gameday? Chiefs could have filled that spot with someone who could have contributed.

As mentioned before, why didnt he rotate the d-line better? They showed ability in wk 17 against SD.

A 3-4 D thrives on the pass rush (and ability) of the linebackers. When Houston/Hali were banged up, why didnt he switch to more 4-3 looks? I know nickel/dime defenses are all the rage, but they dont work when the linebackers/secondary are banged up.

If Sutton's D requires a quick, single high safety, than why didnt he try Berry there in preseason? Berry has world class speed compared to Lewis.

I hope Sutton learns from last yr. One way to start would be to move DeVito to LDE.

Solid questions.

I am not convinced that Abdullah is suited to play as the single high safety.
I do think Berry has the talent to be the very best at it were Sutton to put him there, but I can only speculate that he values the versatility that Berry brings to the defense too much to limit him to that riole.

I'm guessing that,if the Chiefs don't address the FS position in the draft, that it speaks to how they feel about Sanders Commings.
I am skeptical on that.

The lack of rotation has to speak to the lack of confidence they had in the depth.
I also question that.

[BigRock]

I remember very little of Buffalo, Houston, and Denver exploting deep zones. I remember a lot of short passes to get the ball out quickly to neutralize the pass rush and the defense having no answers, either up front or in coverage.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BigRock

I remember very little of Buffalo, Houston, and Denver exploting deep zones. I remember a lot of short passes to get the ball out quickly to neutralize the pass rush and the defense having no answers, either up front or in coverage.

I am not talking about play after play after play.

They picked their spots and took their shots, which loosened up the underneath stuff.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by milkman

I am not talking about play after play after play.

They picked their spots and took their shots, which loosened up the underneath stuff.

The problem with that is the underneath stuff didn't need loosening. Houston ran pretty much their entire offense from the shotgun with a lot of 2 second passes. Clearly trying to negate the pass rush. They only threw deep twice in the first half. Well, technically three times, but one was a hail mary at the end of the half that wouldn't count towards Sutton adjusting to anything.

I don't think one deep pass attempt per quarter is going to cause any great adjustments to a defense. And in the meantime they gave up over 120 yards on short passes in that first half. They looked totally unprepared for a team to counter the pass rush with a short, quick passing attack. Which is troubling because that seems to be a fairly obvious strategy against a great pass rush.

I just don't see a cause and effect where they were being taken advantage of deep and then started getting burned by short passes because they had to back off. I think getting beat short came first. I saw it as teams trying to negate the pass rush by getting the ball out quick and the defense rarely having an answer. With the cherry on top that when they did go deep, it would work too because Lewis was garbage.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRock

The problem with that is the underneath stuff didn't need loosening. Houston ran pretty much their entire offense from the shotgun with a lot of 2 second passes. Clearly trying to negate the pass rush. They only threw deep twice in the first half. Well, technically three times, but one was a hail mary at the end of the half that wouldn't count towards Sutton adjusting to anything.

I don't think one deep pass attempt per quarter is going to cause any great adjustments to a defense. And in the meantime they gave up over 120 yards on short passes in that first half. They looked totally unprepared for a team to counter the pass rush with a short, quick passing attack. Which is troubling because that seems to be a fairly obvious strategy against a great pass rush.

I just don't see a cause and effect where they were being taken advantage of deep and then started getting burned by short passes because they had to back off. I think getting beat short came first. I saw it as teams trying to negate the pass rush by getting the ball out quick and the defense rarely having an answer. With the cherry on top that when they did go deep, it would work too because Lewis was garbage.

Our defensive backfield just isn't very good.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Our defensive backfield just isn't very good.

Yup. Could you imagine what it would have looked like without Cooper last year?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BigRock

The problem with that is the underneath stuff didn't need loosening. Houston ran pretty much their entire offense from the shotgun with a lot of 2 second passes. Clearly trying to negate the pass rush. They only threw deep twice in the first half. Well, technically three times, but one was a hail mary at the end of the half that wouldn't count towards Sutton adjusting to anything.

I don't think one deep pass attempt per quarter is going to cause any great adjustments to a defense. And in the meantime they gave up over 120 yards on short passes in that first half. They looked totally unprepared for a team to counter the pass rush with a short, quick passing attack. Which is troubling because that seems to be a fairly obvious strategy against a great pass rush.

I just don't see a cause and effect where they were being taken advantage of deep and then started getting burned by short passes because they had to back off. I think getting beat short came first. I saw it as teams trying to negate the pass rush by getting the ball out quick and the defense rarely having an answer. With the cherry on top that when they did go deep, it would work too because Lewis was garbage.

I may be confused about which teams, but there were a couple of games mid season that teams really exploited Lewis, which forced Sutton to back off the corners.

[keg in kc]

I think Sutton gets blamed because he's the easiest, least thought-required target. Injuries and depth were the larger issues.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think Sutton gets blamed because he's the easiest, least thought-required target. Injuries and depth were the larger issues.

First half of the season the defense was 100% healthy. They were getting pressure sending 3 or 4 rushers from nickel/sub packages and usually rushing 5 from base 3-4 alignments. This was letting our secondary play man trail with berry playing robber over the middle most of the time. Makes the QB have to make a perfect throw or risk being picked. When everyone started to drop, we had no rush whatsoever, forcing us to blitz and it was still being picked up because you have guys like Zombo who can't beat someone 1v1. Pick your poison, because your going to get lit up if you can't get to the QB. Even when Tamba & JH came back, they werent close to 100% and you could easily see that.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think Sutton gets blamed because he's the easiest, least thought-required target. Injuries and depth were the larger issues.

Boom!! There were lots of places to place blame but ultimately it was first year in a new system. We got lucky early with a weaker sched. Got exploited by the better offensive teams. The playoff game was about as freak accident as a game can be. Flowers injury was the straw that broke the camels back. I think we had a good shot at winning that game if he doesn't go out. I think thing will get better as we get th players needed to run Suttons defense. Gotta give it a little time!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Boom!! There were lots of places to place blame but ultimately it was first year in a new system. We got lucky early with a weaker sched. Got exploited by the better offensive teams. The playoff game was about as freak accident as a game can be. Flowers injury was the straw that broke the camels back. I think we had a good shot at winning that game if he doesn't go out. I think thing will get better as we get th players needed to run Suttons defense. Gotta give it a little time!

I'm really excited to see Berry bring it this year. Of all the players adjusting to this defense, he probably had it the hardest. Most write-ups on the Ryan defense say that Strong Safeties have one of the biggest learning curves. I think his work ethic and dedication in the film room is going to make him an animal this year.