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Old 10-23-2015, 10:57 AM  
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Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall.

Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible.
You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy.
It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion.
Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million.
As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016.
At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.)
“Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program.
The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money.
To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids.
So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce.
If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:10 PM   #31
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And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?
Yes. The D isn't going to win the games in a vacuum. Above average QB play absolutely makes this a 10-12 game winner.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:15 PM   #32
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Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.
But Smith would still suck.

I backed Smith. I expected huge things from Smith this year. All he's done is prove every single negative thing said about him exactly correct. As KC_Lee broke down, the excuses he had coming into this season no longer wash.

Throw out the record: Smith is playing like a bad NFL quarterback. He can't drive the football, he won't stay in the pocket to deliver the pass, he's watching the rush as badly as he ever has and his accuracy has regressed to the point that he's missed 2 or 3 both of the last two weeks that were simple dumps or screens. He's been incapable of consistently hitting a simple 5 yard swing pass.

He's bad. I'm not sitting here blaming our record on him - I'm speaking to his performance in a vacuum. He's been a bad quarterback and there's simply no reason to keep trying to prop him up.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:21 PM   #33
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But Smith would still suck.

I backed Smith. I expected huge things from Smith this year. All he's done is prove every single negative thing said about him exactly correct. As KC_Lee broke down, the excuses he had coming into this season no longer wash.

Throw out the record: Smith is playing like a bad NFL quarterback. He can't drive the football, he won't stay in the pocket to deliver the pass, he's watching the rush as badly as he ever has and his accuracy has regressed to the point that he's missed 2 or 3 both of the last two weeks that were simple dumps or screens. He's been incapable of consistently hitting a simple 5 yard swing pass.

He's bad. I'm not sitting here blaming our record on him - I'm speaking to his performance in a vacuum. He's been a bad quarterback and there's simply no reason to keep trying to prop him up.
I love how a better record makes 52 players simultaneously ascendant, . . except the jittery QB behind a shitty o-line.

If Alex is no better a QB with a better record, the D is no better a squad with a better record.

Mentally broken units simultaneously resolve their mental problems in the blink of an eye, but a mentally broken QB is FOREVER!!
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:21 PM   #34
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The problem with some of you, is that you don't realize how much smith plays into those problems or is a reason for them.

The offensive line is made to look worse my our qb bring slow processing info and holding the ball, not completing passes downfield. Hell, 3 plays against the Vikings we have Maclin matched up 1 on 1 outside where a decent throw is a big gain or pass interference.

The play calling is made to look worse because it has to be used to mask deficiency in our qb.

But, thus post is being glossed ovee, so carry on
He had a clean pocket and Maclin streaking for a 90 yard TD...he threw the ball OOB. People want to act like Rodgers gets a shot at that throw 5 times a game but he doesn't - Rodgers gets that shot once or twice a game...he just connects on them. And that's all it takes in today's NFL; one or two big plays can change everything.

Smith never makes the difference making play. Ever. Rodgers hits 'em all. Flacco and Eli hit enough of them to win. Bad quarterbacks virtually always fail on them. Whether it's a bomb to a streaking Maclin or just a simple out route 15 yards downfield to Wilson - when there's a play to be made, Smith doesn't make it.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:22 PM   #35
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I love how a better record makes 52 players simultaneously ascendant, . . except the jittery QB behind a shitty o-line.
So you ignored everything I said there and simply parroted your same bullshit?
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:23 PM   #36
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100 percent of pressure allowed on a qb isn't on the offensive line. Seems that's not realized here
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:26 PM   #37
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So you ignored everything I said there and simply parroted your same bullshit?
Looking at team game single positions 'in a vacuum' is what's bullshit, especially when you assume synergy for some positions and discount it entirely for others.

Truly, I realize that a lot of people see me as an Alex apologist. I'm not. I'm just trying to get people to apply their butthurt evenly.

****, we're a 1/2 step away from blaming moldy hot dogs in the concession stands over vendor despondence over QB performance.

I understand, QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN CIVILIZATION!!!WTFBBQ!!SMURFANAL!!!

It's still a team game.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:31 PM   #39
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The defense isn't mentally broken though. They've lost two leads in games that shouldn't have ever been to that point and held a team to 16 points and lost.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:32 PM   #40
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The problem with some of you, is that you don't realize how much smith plays into those problems or is a reason for them.

The offensive line is made to look worse my our qb bring slow processing info and holding the ball, not completing passes downfield. Hell, 3 plays against the Vikings we have Maclin matched up 1 on 1 outside where a decent throw is a big gain or pass interference.

The play calling is made to look worse because it has to be used to mask deficiency in our qb.

But, thus post is being glossed ovee, so carry on
A lot is his fault, sadly the whole team sucks this year.

Berry, Hali, Johnson got old.. Coupled with Sutton's bad gameplanning, refusing to alter gameplans after a half. The defense looks lost.

Then the defense gets zero help from the offense. The offense cannot score points, sustain drives, crap 3rd down conversions. This is the combination of bad playcalling from Reid, bad oline and Alex taking forever to decide to check down.

Literally every team just needs the same plan that is easy to do. Keep everything in front of you. Alex cannot complete deep throws. So just defend the short game, you can defend the run and pass from this easily, even moreso with Charles out.

The team is a joke, lead by their leaders Smith and Reid.
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Baby Lee still doesn't get how much a shitty QB brings down an entire team.

Sometimes that shitty QB can have a successful ground-and-pound running game behind him and still produce enough wins to be a successful playoff team.

When that running game isn't there (or in Andy's case, he just refuses to lean on it in spite of his QB's limitations) then you see the awful shit show performances that Alex has been putting up against bottom feeder teams like the Bears and Vikings.

It's a team game, yes. To a certain extent.

When it's not, then yes, it IS all about the shitty QB.
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I love how a better record makes 52 players simultaneously ascendant, . . except the jittery QB behind a shitty o-line.

If Alex is no better a QB with a better record, the D is no better a squad with a better record.

Mentally broken units simultaneously resolve their mental problems in the blink of an eye, but a mentally broken QB is FOREVER!!
Has no QB ever came back from Mental issues with the game Drew Brees is the only QB I can think of who has changed his mentality
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:34 PM   #43
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And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?
I can't speak for everyone, but for me a 1st round QB isn't about 2 more wins in 2015 or 2016. 1st round QB is an investment in long-term success (2017-2025, if we are lucky). The big argument for me is that top talent QBs are so rare that you have to take them when you have an opportunity. If you don't have a top talent QB, you need dedicate resources each year into finding one because without one you are going nowhere. 1st round QB is the first step of many to becoming a contender.
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Baby Lee still doesn't get how much a shitty QB brings down an entire team.

Sometimes that shitty QB can have a successful ground-and-pound running game behind him and still produce enough wins to be a successful playoff team.

When that running game isn't there (or in Andy's case, he just refuses to lean on it in spite of his QB's limitations) then you see the awful shit show performances that Alex has been putting up against bottom feeder teams like the Bears and Vikings.

It's a team game, yes. To a certain extent.

When it's not, then yes, it IS all about the shitty QB.
Our shitty offense on par with the 6-0 Broncos. As is the 2-5 49ers.
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A lot is his fault, sadly the whole team sucks this year.

Berry, Hali, Johnson got old.. Coupled with Sutton's bad gameplanning, refusing to alter gameplans after a half. The defense looks lost.

Then the defense gets zero help from the offense. The offense cannot score points, sustain drives, crap 3rd down conversions. This is the combination of bad playcalling from Reid, bad oline and Alex taking forever to decide to check down.

Literally every team just needs the same plan that is easy to do. Keep everything in front of you. Alex cannot complete deep throws. So just defend the short game, you can defend the run and pass from this easily, even moreso with Charles out.

The team is a joke, lead by their leaders Smith and Reid.
Berry has been great this year. He looks fine.

DJ and hali, yes, they're done.

Reid picked Alex so in the end I'm guessing he sinks for that choice. But i don't think the play calling has been near the issue as the qb has been
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