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Old 12-13-2016, 03:53 PM  
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Bill Parcells is the reason the Browns have been terrible for 25 years
You can't make this shit up. I've posted this in other threads, but this deserves its own thread. We all know the Browns have been the most embarrassing franchise over the past 25 years. Parcells/Bellichick's tree has had either a GM or head coach in charge for 16 of the last 22 years.

Their new GM DePodesta... guess who he consulted when he first started? Bill Parcells. It's strange to me that as good of fans as Browns fans are, I almost never hear anyone in Cleveland or nationally talk about this.

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1991 - 1995 - Bill Bellichick - Parcells D-coordinator
1996 - 1998 [No team]
1999 - 2000 - Chris Palmer - Parcells WR coach
2001 - 2004 - Butch Davis/Robiskie [no Parcells link]
2005 - 2008 - Romeo - Bellichick D-coordinator / GM Phil savage [bellichick personnel guy]
2009 - 2010 - Eric Mangini - Bellichick D-coordinator / George kokinis
[bellichick personnel guy]
2011 - 2012 - Pat Shurmur & Holmgren [no Parcells/Bellichick link]
2013 - 2015 - GM MIke Lombardi [Bellichick personnel] / GM Ray Farmer [Pioli personnell]
2016 - Paul Depodesta - Chief Strategy Officer / Sashi Brown GM (consulted with Parcells)
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:10 PM   #31
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Kinda feel sorry for Parcells. Can you imagine Pioli as your son-in-law?
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:43 PM   #32
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That list probably says more about the Good Ol' Boys fraternity of all NFL coaches.
Usually that's because the same coach was successful for 10 years. Or a GM sticks with a tree.

The Browns have repeatedly failed in 2-3 year spurts with different GMs and different coaches all relying on the same tree. Romeo's shit show was replaced by a completely different tree coach in Mangini. Lombardi bombed then got replaced by a totally different Farmer regime.

And despite all this failure, Parcells was called on not once but TWICE in 2014 and 2016 to specially consult the Browns.

For a team that fails over and over again in the worst possible way, it's amazing that nobody's drawn the connection that there's one common theme to all their failure. It's like a bad version of Groundhog Day. And since Haslem is buddies with Parcells, sadly for Browns fans, it's not going away anytime soon.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:02 PM   #33
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Can't wait for Scott Pioli to decide he's ready to venture out on his own again. He'll probably land in Cleveland and continue to **** that team over hardcore.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:14 PM   #34
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What happened to Lombardi there? Every time I see him on TV, he's the smartest guy in the room.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:20 PM   #35
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What happened to Lombardi there? Every time I see him on TV, he's the smartest guy in the room.
Is it any surprise? Same old tree bullshit.

He clashed with Banner. Granted, Banner was a dick. But Lombardi wanted McDaniels (surprise surprise). And apparently went over Banner's head to interview Greg Schiano who isn't from the tree but (surprise surprise) was recommended to Lombardi by Bellichick.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:23 PM   #36
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Is it any surprise? Same old tree bullshit.

He clashed with Banner. Granted, Banner was a dick. But Lombardi wanted McDaniels (surprise surprise). And apparently went over Banner's head to interview Greg Schiano who isn't from the tree but (surprise surprise) was recommended to Lombardi by Bellichick.
This is awesome news! I'll take Lombardi AND McDaniels in Jax.

Brady's awesome and all but damn if those receivers aren't running wide ass open!
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:29 PM   #37
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They truly are a factory of sadness.

It takes a combined effort to accomplish that, over decades...
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The Browns have always been an example of bad management, just look at how they draft QBs every couple of years and miss on literally every single one of them.

You can't sit here and blame Parcells for everything. Parcells' tree also produced maybe the most successful NFL coach ever (Belichick), one of the best college coaches ever (Saban), and two legit Super Bowl winning coaches in Sean Payton and Coughlin. The Browns have never exactly shown great judgment in any regard... you can't entirely blame Parcells for that. Mike Holmgren was a pretty successful coach and even he couldn't fix them.
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That suckage shows how good of a coach Marty was, at least in the regular season. He took them to 2 AFC championships before getting canned in 1988. They have been a trainwreck ever since.
Marty has a pretty good tree himself. No Belichick... but Cowher, McCarthy, Marvin Lewis, Bruce Arians all basically started under him. Dungy coached under him for a while, and even Herm won a couple playoff games.
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They need a COMPLETE makeover!

New Uniforms, new name of team, new owner, new stadium, new GM and a whole new outlook.

Probably new fans too!
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The Browns have always been an example of bad management, just look at how they draft QBs every couple of years and miss on literally every single one of them.

You can't sit here and blame Parcells for everything. Parcells' tree also produced maybe the most successful NFL coach ever (Belichick), one of the best college coaches ever (Saban), and two legit Super Bowl winning coaches in Sean Payton and Coughlin. The Browns have never exactly shown great judgment in any regard... you can't entirely blame Parcells for that. Mike Holmgren was a pretty successful coach and even he couldn't fix them.
You can and absolutely blame both.

Of course the blame goes to the moron owners that continue to pick from the same failed tree. But it was Bellichick's tree that ****ed the Browns in the 2000s (Savage & Kokinis were personnel guys for Bellichick's Browns). And it's Parcells who is directly ****ing them now (Parcells was a special consultant in 2014 and apparently consulted DePodesta in 2016). And given Haslem's friendship with Parcells, it's hard to imagine that Lombardi/Ray Farmer weren't hired out of Parcells' insistence. And since every Bellichick/Parcells disciple has the same habit of refusing to hire anyone outside of the tree, it's easier to blame the tree.

And while we're talking about drafting QBs... apart from Manziel, almost every QB drafted by a Bellichick/Parcells GM fit the mold of Parcells' moronic "Parcells rules." Might explain why Kessler was drafted over Wentz (Wentz did NOT pass the Parcells rules test).
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It's not Parcells fault. This is complete loon territory of reaches.
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It's not Parcells fault. This is complete loon territory of reaches.
I didn't say this was Bill Parcells' fault.

I said that Bill Parcells ruined the Browns. His tree has been in a major position of power for 16 of the last 22 miserable years.

I don't even know what to say. It's not loon territory. I don't know how much more damn obvious it can be.
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