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Old 12-14-2018, 11:20 PM   #1
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lol no we've been exposed the last two weeks. Nobody is overreacting at all. This defense cant win shit and we have the guy making the most money saying he just doesnt have the spirit to go out there and play.
Did he have enough spirit to cash those $806,250 checks weekly when he was non playing?

Hard to have the spirit to root for a team when it has cancer on it like that.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:21 PM   #2
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Did he have enough spirit to cash those $806,250 checks weekly when he was non playing?

Hard to have the spirit to root for a team when it has cancer on it like that.
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Old 12-14-2018, 10:56 PM   #3
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It took a perfect storm for us to lose by one point to the team with the second best record in the AFC last night. SB teams lose games (almost) every year. We have been hanging around 18% chance to win the SB all year. It will in all likelihood end in disappointment. This was always true.

Bottomline is we weren't as good as some of you thought before this game and we are better than some of you think afterwards. In either case, expect to walk away from this season without a SB victory. Play the long game.
I was bothered by the Pats and Rams loss. But it didn't destroy me. Yesterday's loss destroyed me.

Not because of how we played. Talent can change - it can improve, it can be upgraded, Mahomes will keep getting better. Sutton is deflating but I just get a sense he's dead man walking this offseason. Year 2 will be great.

But Andy Reid on the other hand after 20 years should know better. And if he still refuses to fix it now, I have even less confidence he'll ever want to fix it. If we lose with our team on the attack, so be it.... I do not want to ever again see this shit where we end the game playing not to lose. Ever.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:05 PM   #4
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I was bothered by the Pats and Rams loss. But it didn't destroy me. Yesterday's loss destroyed me.

Not because of how we played. Talent can change - it can improve, it can be upgraded, Mahomes will keep getting better. Sutton is deflating but I just get a sense he's dead man walking this offseason. Year 2 will be great.

But Andy Reid on the other hand after 20 years should know better. And if he still refuses to fix it now, I have even less confidence he'll ever want to fix it. If we lose with our team on the attack, so be it.... I do not want to ever again see this shit where we end the game playing not to lose. Ever.
We called pass plays two of the last three plays. Andy did not go into a shell. Here's what happened: Ward blocked in the back to pin us deep, Harris jumped the count, and o-line blocking was shitty on two plays.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:17 PM   #5
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We called pass plays two of the last three plays. Andy did not go into a shell. Here's what happened: Ward blocked in the back to pin us deep, Harris jumped the count, and o-line blocking was shitty on two plays.
This is spot on.

I want to see the routes Andy called though.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:44 PM   #6
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This is spot on.

I want to see the routes Andy called though.
Predictable draw play, sideways WR screen... No idea what the 3rd play was, but wouldn't doubt Mahomes was instructed to play it safe if he didn't like what he saw. Clearly the first two plays were scripted.

With 3:49 to go, you put the ball in Mahomes' hands and get a first down or two. THEN you consider burning clock. Giving Mahomes 1 chance instead of 3 means they cared a lot more about burning the clock than they did extending the drive. That's what you call playing not to lose.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:38 PM   #7
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We called pass plays two of the last three plays. Andy did not go into a shell. Here's what happened: Ward blocked in the back to pin us deep, Harris jumped the count, and o-line blocking was shitty on two plays.
Throwing the ball sideways is practically a run. The first 2 plays were totally predictable and not surprisingly snuffed out. Pretty obvious Reid was playing that 3-down series incredibly safe. Two drives before was safe too. I still remember thinking how uncharacteristic it was for Mahomes to check down short on 3rd down. The only thing feeding the illusion that we were attacking in the 4th quarter was scoring a TD in the 2nd to last drive. But look at the drive chart - all short passes, bailed out a few times by LA penalties. And it isn't just offense... Reid sets the tone for Sutton's safe playcalling in those situations too.

It's not like it's this game in isolation. That last drive has been vintage Reid. In almost every game where we've been behind, we had an outstanding 4th quarter. In half of the games where we've been ahead, we've been borderline terrible on offense in the 4Q (Denver game 2, Jax, AZ, SF, and for the most part... SD). You can call that a coincidence. But history shows that Andy Reid coaches totally different when we have a lead.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:02 PM   #8
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Remember trying to blame the defense last year, but was assured that it was the QB's fault for our failures.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:08 PM   #9
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Remember trying to blame the defense last year, but was assured that it was the QB's fault for our failures.
Do you contend that the QB play is not significantly better this year? Do you contend that the team is not better?
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:04 AM   #10
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Do you contend that the QB play is not significantly better this year? Do you contend that the team is not better?
obvious question is obvious.


I'm just stating the defense was/is still the problem and QB's can't always overcome that.

Now, the offense playing flat plays a part, too...but it's the D's job to protect the lead.
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Do you contend that the QB play is not significantly better this year? Do you contend that the team is not better?
The QB play is immeasurably better. Other than that the team is far worse in every respect. Put Alex Smith back in (pre injury of course) and we are a 6-8 team.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:18 PM   #12
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Remember trying to blame the defense last year, but was assured that it was the QB's fault for our failures.
Mahomes wasn't held scoreless for an entire half.

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Old 12-14-2018, 11:10 PM   #13
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24 hours after the game ended, my thoughts are this.

The Chiefs still control their fate. They don’t need any favors to get where they want to go. They’re actually pretty darn healthy compared to where they’ve been in past years at this time, and they’re probably going to get their banged up players back soon (Watkins, Ware, Erving). It sounds like Fuller hasn’t been lost for much if any time, and that’s huge for a team so thin at the CB position. We’re probably going to get LDT or Watts back, and I am hoping for LDT because he could solidify the offense along with Watkins as the playoffs loom.

I think Kelvin Benjamin is only going to become more acclimated with the offense here in the coming weeks, and that could be huge. Neither he nor Conley are guys that are going to separate against man coverage, but Kelvin gives them size that only Kelce can replicate. I think he can help out.

The Chiefs currently have one of the best set of pass rushers in the entire league, capable of rushing with just four. Eric Berry is the key to everything on that side of the ball, as confirmed last night. I do not believe that this team has a chance to win the Super Bowl under Bob Sutton’s coordination without Eric Berry. If he’s there, we’ve got a shot IMO.

Time to see how they respond in Seattle. A tough matchup and tough environment coming off of a bad loss. A truly great team would respond with a win I believe. We will see.
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