Someone is going to get a steal w/ Omenihu

[The Franchise]

The #Chiefs had dinner with Omenihu in Mobile. He's an ideal fit in their new 4-3 scheme https://t.co/cNpIbgx6sQ

— Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) March 23, 2019

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

The #Chiefs had dinner with Omenihu in Mobile. He's an ideal fit in their new 4-3 scheme https://t.co/cNpIbgx6sQ

— Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) March 23, 2019

Guys are going to freak out because if all the top Passrushers are gone, because Veach will trade up for another draft mancrush

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Guys are going to freak out because if all the top Passrushers are gone, because Veach will trade up for another draft mancrush

mancrush? like as in...what's not to like? 6'6", 275 lbs. Big 12 D-lineman of the year. 9.5 sacks. Excellent run defender. Aggressive, high motor guy. Relentless.

He's got the measurables, he's got the production. AND I don't think you'll have to trade up for him.

In this draft, I think Ferrell is better; but I think Omenihu or Allen are just behind him. Ferguson just a bit behind that-his agility measurables bother me but he's basically a Tamba Hali-type.

You guys crack me up. It's the armchair GM's that develop mancrushes and then trash other players because it's 'NOT MY GUY'.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

mancrush? like as in...what's not to like? 6'6", 275 lbs. Big 12 D-lineman of the year. 9.5 sacks. Excellent run defender. Aggressive, high motor guy. Relentless.

He's got the measurables, he's got the production. AND I don't think you'll have to trade up for him.

In this draft, I think Ferrell is better; but I think Omenihu or Allen are just behind him. Ferguson just a bit behind that-his agility measurables bother me but he's basically a Tamba Hali-type.

You guys crack me up. It's the armchair GM's that develop mancrushes and then trash other players because it's 'NOT MY GUY'.

I'm not at that short sighted or reactionary because if they are put in a position to succeed and not nullifying their natural skillset then everything will be cool

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I'm not at that short sighted or reactionary because if they are put in a position to succeed and not nullifying their natural skillset then everything will be cool

confusing sentence structure is confusing.

I THINK you're saying you're not being reactionary and if they're put in a position to use their skillset well then all is cool.

If so, I agree.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

mancrush? like as in...what's not to like? 6'6", 275 lbs. Big 12 D-lineman of the year. 9.5 sacks. Excellent run defender. Aggressive, high motor guy. Relentless.

He's got the measurables, he's got the production. AND I don't think you'll have to trade up for him.

In this draft, I think Ferrell is better; but I think Omenihu or Allen are just behind him. Ferguson just a bit behind that-his agility measurables bother me but he's basically a Tamba Hali-type.

You guys crack me up. It's the armchair GM's that develop mancrushes and then trash other players because it's 'NOT MY GUY'.

Spot on!!!

Give me Omenihu all day long.

[Chris Meck]

there's a lot to like about a LOT of these players this year. I didn't know anything about Zach Allen but he kept popping up in my mocks so I went and watched some tape. Now, true, we're talking about highlight reels, but he just abused offensive linemen from big time programs. In the run game and as a pass rusher. I heard him called 'the most complete defensive lineman in college football'.

I like Omenihu a lot as well; and he too played well against good competition. Ferrell I thought was smaller than that because he plays damned quick. I was surprised when I looked up his size, I thought he was more a 3-4 edge type.

so yeah, I bet Ferrell is gone and if Veach has a mancrush and goes up to get somebody that'd be him. I could live with that. But I think Omenihu or Allen fall to you and maybe as far as 2nd round.

[ntexascardfan]

From what I've seen Omenihu is probably anywhere from the mid 40s to the end of the second.

Depending on what we do in FA over the next month I think I'm a fan of either a WR or a Safety in the first.

[kccrow]

I dunno. I just don't see a guy that can get NFL sacks. I just rewatched Baylor and Maryland. Baylor controlled the shit out of him and he had a sack on a second effort really late in the play he just won't get in the NFL. Maryland's right tackle, Damien Prince, absolutely destroyed him 1 on 1 that entire game. Prince is an NFL caliber RT and he basically had zero issues with Omenihu. Omenihu doesn't look like he has much of a plan if his bull rush gets stymied and he just doesn't have the athleticism to beat even an average looking RT prospect to the corner. I'm okay if Veach wants to sit there and take the kid in round 2, but that's really pushing it for me. Round 1 I'd absolutely lose my shit.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I dunno. I just don't see a guy that can get NFL sacks. I just rewatched Baylor and Maryland. Baylor controlled the shit out of him and he had a sack on a second effort really late in the play he just won't get in the NFL. Maryland's right tackle, Damien Prince, absolutely destroyed him 1 on 1 that entire game. Prince is an NFL caliber RT and he basically had zero issues with Omenihu. Omenihu doesn't look like he has much of a plan if his bull rush gets stymied and he just doesn't have the athleticism to beat even an average looking RT prospect to the corner. I'm okay if Veach wants to sit there and take the kid in round 2, but that's really pushing it for me. Round 1 I'd absolutely lose my shit.

Well, several scouts say he has the best handwork in the draft. And as for Prince shutting him out, well, I mean everyone says Fisher sucks, and he's had a few games where he made Joey Bosa invisible. So, I mean, whatever. It happens to everyone. His overall production is pretty good.

I'm not specifically hung up on him, there are a couple of guys I like a lot in that range.

But I doubt we're going to get a 245 lb. pass rush specialist. Unless it's late in the draft or a dumpster find FA like Ray.

[ntexascardfan]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I dunno. I just don't see a guy that can get NFL sacks. I just rewatched Baylor and Maryland. Baylor controlled the shit out of him and he had a sack on a second effort really late in the play he just won't get in the NFL. Maryland's right tackle, Damien Prince, absolutely destroyed him 1 on 1 that entire game. Prince is an NFL caliber RT and he basically had zero issues with Omenihu. Omenihu doesn't look like he has much of a plan if his bull rush gets stymied and he just doesn't have the athleticism to beat even an average looking RT prospect to the corner. I'm okay if Veach wants to sit there and take the kid in round 2, but that's really pushing it for me. Round 1 I'd absolutely lose my shit.

Where did Omenihu play in those games? The dude hardly had a 1-1 matchup as Texas bases out of a 3-4 under, so it's a bit bewildering that you're trying to use that as a benchmark. Texas bases out of a 3-4 under. He was largely in a 3 technique and was a good part of the reason LB Gary Johnson had so much success getting into the backfield last season.

Also, you're literally the only person I've read who doesn't appreciate his hands and pass rush moves.

I feel this is a case of you making up your mind about something and watching film to validate your feelings.

There's a reason why Omenihu shined out at the Senior Bowl when he got to play a DE in a 4 man front.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

Where did Omenihu play in those games? The dude hardly had a 1-1 matchup as Texas bases out of a 3-4 under, so it's a bit bewildering that you're trying to use that as a benchmark. Texas bases out of a 3-4 under. He was largely in a 3 technique and was a good part of the reason LB Gary Johnson had so much success getting into the backfield last season.

Also, you're literally the only person I've read who doesn't appreciate his hands and pass rush moves.

I feel this is a case of you making up your mind about something and watching film to validate your feelings.

There's a reason why Omenihu shined out at the Senior Bowl when he got to play a DE in a 4 man front.

hey, you know where he'd get a ton of 1 on 1's? Playing next to Chris Jones.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

There's a reason why Omenihu shined out at the Senior Bowl when he got to play a DE in a 4 man front.

Remember this detail, because starting with Eric Fisher KC has gone after Senior Bowl standouts frequently.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

Where did Omenihu play in those games? The dude hardly had a 1-1 matchup as Texas bases out of a 3-4 under, so it's a bit bewildering that you're trying to use that as a benchmark. Texas bases out of a 3-4 under. He was largely in a 3 technique and was a good part of the reason LB Gary Johnson had so much success getting into the backfield last season.

Also, you're literally the only person I've read who doesn't appreciate his hands and pass rush moves.

I feel this is a case of you making up your mind about something and watching film to validate your feelings.

There's a reason why Omenihu shined out at the Senior Bowl when he got to play a DE in a 4 man front.

Dude, seriously take off your Texas and Big 12 homer glasses for a minute and go watch those games. He was thoroughly dominated. He played primarily at DE against Maryland as a 3 and 5. He absolutely got his shit kicked in. If I were going off that tape alone, he wouldn't be on my draft board. It was literally that bad. They tried to move him around, especially down on the nose and to the opposite side. He was more effective with pressure but not by much.

[ntexascardfan]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Dude, seriously take off your Texas and Big 12 homer glasses for a minute and go watch those games. He was thoroughly dominated. He played primarily at DE against Maryland as a 3 and 5. He absolutely got his shit kicked in. If I were going off that tape alone, he wouldn't be on my draft board. It was literally that bad. They tried to move him around, especially down on the nose and to the opposite side. He was more effective with pressure but not by much.

I've done a pretty good job of taking off the homer glasses. My feelings regarding him have been pretty consistent with the experts...a mid second to mid third round grade.

However, to be clear, I'm not the one in this thread going against the grain of every scout and expert in the industry by saying he has poor pass rush moves and hands (the latter of which is absolutely absurd).

I'm also not the dude saying that Austin Bryant (who most have as a third day pick) is a better prospect.

There's a reason why he is a pretty consensus mid second to mid third grade. Because he's a solid prospect. For KC, given the recent signing of a similar player in Okafor, it signals he'd probably be someone on our board and would be a good fit in our scheme.

It's not a surprise that the teams most associated with him are Seattle, Indianapolis, and KC.