If fully healthy, this could be the greatest offense we've ever watched

[dlphg9]

This is going to be exciting as **** if Hardman can play at full strength. The possibility of having Kelce, JJSS, McKinnon, Toney, and Hardman all on the field together and healthy for the 1st time is amazing. Add in a damn good RB in Pacheco and this could literally be the best offense that we've ever seen.

Imagine the shit Andy can come up with like Hardman and Toney in the backfield at the same time or McKinnon and Toney/Hardman in the backfield with Toney/Hardman potentially coming around for a jet sweep. Having JJSS as a more than competent receiving option this year and Hardman and Toney's speed is literally going to be an absolute nightmare for opposing teams.

I'm really excited for these playoff games, just gotta hope that everyone gets healed up over the next 2 weeks. HFA is huge.

So excited.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by crispystl

You don't think they've been sandbagging the playbook to some extent?

At times, maybe a little.

But they weren't sandbagging against Buffalo or Cincinnati - there was just too much on the line.

But we haven't had a full compliment of targets all season.

We should in 2 weeks.

And now you'll witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I just remembered; yesterday I was watching some show, and they said that Andy tended to open up the playbook in the last week or two of the season, to force DCs to have to account for what could be run from those concepts. In common language, Andy likes to eff with people.

andy been sandbagging all year

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Yeah, we actually averaged 35 ppg for the entire 2018 season lol insane.

And, tbh, that wasn't even the best offense of all time.

We also allowed 26.3 ppg lol. We had to go and score like that. This year we've allowed 21.7 ppg. If we ever have a D like that while Patrick is in his prime, then holy shit. I guarantee that our offense would break the all time record of 37.9 ppg.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I reiterate, you beat the cover 2 with speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed.

Y'all can have your 'physical' WRs and 'zone beaters' who don't actually have any stand out skills to speak of.

I want jackrabbits. You give me Toney, Hardman and MVS out on that field with Kelce and this offense will hum like we haven't ever seen.

You can only cover so much grass, fellas. The limiting factor that has historically existed on this approach was the QB, but our QB can challenge every square inch of turf.

So give him targets that can get to them.

I 100% expect teams to swarm Kelce in the postseason.

We're going to see HUGE plays from our speed guys.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I just remembered; yesterday I was watching some show, and they said that Andy tended to open up the playbook in the last week or two of the season, to force DCs to have to account for what could be run from those concepts. In common language, Andy likes to eff with people.

The increased use of stats in analysis has been really interesting if only because of how teams counter it.

'Tendency breakers' are more than just something of an interesting turn of phrase. I mean sometimes they're used to run against type and actually produce. But oftentimes it truly is something that coaches call just to **** with the spreadsheets.

If anyone's doing that right now, I don't think it's Andy - I think it's Spags.

Think of how much less often we've been blitzing, especially on 3rd downs. And why? I think Spags is trying to drive down those blitz rates. Sure, just keep making your spreadsheet more involved and you can pare out more and more white noise, but the more involved the numbers are, the more prone guys get to paralysis by analysis.

I think there are coaches - and we have a few of them - who calls plays ESPECIALLY to screw with trends that analytics departments are trying to use to establish an edge. You run those things out there to dick up the ratios and the pocket protector brigade doesn't really recognize it, IMO. Next thing you know they're feeding the DC raw numbers of what someone does in a similar situation and those numbers are flawed because the coaching staff actively dicked with them during the regular season.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I 100% expect teams to swarm Kelce in the postseason.

We're going to see HUGE plays from our speed guys.

PM's gotta hit 'em.

The chemistry with him and MVS is still off. And frankly, Mahomes has always thrown too flat of a deep ball.

But he doesn't have to bat 1.000 here. Hit 1 early and another in the 2nd half and that may be all it takes.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by crispystl

You don't think they've been sandbagging the playbook to some extent?

No, not really.

I think the Chiefs have a big-ass play book and we won't see everything every week, not because they're sandbagging, but because the gameplan simply may not call for it.

I don't imagine the Chiefs will look much different come playoffs, just maybe a couple extra plays here and there that they dreamed up that week, as we've seen mostly every week.

[BWillie]

Patrick still has NEVER had a good WR2.

Never.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The increased use of stats in analysis has been really interesting if only because of how teams counter it.

'Tendency breakers' are more than just something of an interesting turn of phrase. I mean sometimes they're used to run against type and actually produce. But oftentimes it truly is something that coaches call just to **** with the spreadsheets.

If anyone's doing that right now, I don't think it's Andy - I think it's Spags.

Think of how much less often we've been blitzing, especially on 3rd downs. And why? I think Spags is trying to drive down those blitz rates. Sure, just keep making your spreadsheet more involved and you can pare out more and more white noise, but the more involved the numbers are, the more prone guys get to paralysis by analysis.

I think there are coaches - and we have a few of them - who calls plays ESPECIALLY to screw with trends that analytics departments are trying to use to establish an edge. You run those things out there to dick up the ratios and the pocket protector brigade doesn't really recognize it, IMO. Next thing you know they're feeding the DC raw numbers of what someone does in a similar situation and those numbers are flawed because the coaching staff actively dicked with them during the regular season.

This is a really interesting concept that I never even thought about.

[ForeverIowan]

Yeah the combo of Pat with Kelce,Juju,Hardman,Toney, McKinnon is gonna be damn tough to stop. Good luck to opposing defenses.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I just remembered; yesterday I was watching some show, and they said that Andy tended to open up the playbook in the last week or two of the season, to force DCs to have to account for what could be run from those concepts. In common language, Andy likes to eff with people.

It was RGR. That was the show.

Interesting, can't say I remember it in previous seasons, at least not to the extent of the Raiders game.

Their style of holding back is seriously frustrating at times, but in those games I almost just have to laugh and think... well, might want to pull your heads out of your asses. And they do at an alarming rate.

[BWillie]

Patrick's biggest weakness is on deep goes or fade routes. Sometimes he just doesn't have the touch. Deep crossing routes where he can put some zip on it and throw it low...hes the best to ever do it.

Contrary to popular belief you don't need to have an exceptional arm to throw the deep go or fade route. Your primarily just throwing it up high and accuracy and touch are more important. See Burrow, Brady and Seahawk Russell Wilson.

So in a sense not having Tyreek is sometimes a blessing. But Tyreek ran all sorts of routes too.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

This is a really interesting concept that I never even thought about.

I can't prove a damn bit of it.

But I know how numbers work and I absolutely believe it to be true. The savvy coaches in this league are no different than someone like Greg Maddux. Maddux used to go out there and with 2 outs and nobody on, give up a base hit on purpose. He'd get ahead in the count and groove one to the guy.

And if that dude came up 3 weeks later with 2 runners on a tie ballgame, he'd get ahead and the count again and throw the nastiest pitch he had because he knows that guy remembers the last AB when he got a cement mixer and it's in the back of his mind.

Supercharge that and apply it to the data revolution and I just cannot imagine coaches aren't doing it.

It's more than just sandbagging - it's actively suppressing your tendencies to throw off the analytics.

[ToxSocks]

I read this:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I reiterate, you beat the cover 2 with speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed.

And immediately thought this:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

PM's gotta hit 'em.

The chemistry with him and MVS is still off. And frankly, Mahomes has always thrown too flat of a deep ball.

The Chiefs have plenty of speed. But Mahomes misses more than he hits on those deep vertical shots down the sideline.

We've seen time and time again, both with MVS and Hardman, both dudes getting wide the **** open and PM either flat out misses or just doesn't see them.

It's not really a great part of PM's game right now. Just gotta hope PM catches fire with those in the playoffs.

[O.city]

He just doesn't throw it high and lead guys as well as he should. I can't figure it out.

A couple times this year, he's had Watson on a post and he just doesn't throw it out in front of him.