National Media starts the bashing. It's Trent's fault now. - Page 3

**BigRedChief** · 09-21-2004, 11:15 AM

From cbssportline:

Green hit eight of his first nine, then was 9 of 25 the rest of the way. For the second straight week he completed only half of his passes. For the second straight week he didn't have 200 yards in completions. For the second straight week he had no touchdowns.
You can look it up: In two weeks he's 23 of 66 for 361 yards, no TDs and two interceptions, and you want to know what's wrong with the defense?

The link:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7698339

**BigRedChief** · 09-21-2004, 02:15 PM

I think Trent has led the team. He's not a fiery speech maker. You can't make him one but he is leading by example. When Priest cuts back the other way and he needs to throw a block on some 6'9" 330 lb DE he sticks his head and body in there. Players respect that. He did it against Julius Peppers last week. Elvis would have been backing out of the play. Trent's going to be fine.

**ShortRoundChief** · 09-21-2004, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

No offense, but this must be one of the silliest things I've read in a long time. It all starts with Trent, dude. He went to the Pro Bowl. He lead the team to victories, made blocks and ran the ball when he had to, has been excellent in ball handling, blah blah blah...

...sure, others might think of Holmes, Gonzo, Hall then Green, but those people don't know the game very well. And they sure don't know our Chiefs.

Hall is not a leader BTW. Hall is an excellent weapon, but nobody thinks of a punt\kick returner as a leader. No, before Trent, Gonzo was the leader. Trent is the leader of this team, make no mistake...

I'm seeing flashes of the leader trying to do to much again.

tk13 · 09-21-2004, 02:56 PM

People (and opposing fans) just look at this at face value with stats and say Green isn't playing well. I think he was very sharp against the Broncos... very sharp. Lesser QB's would've had 3 or 4 INT's considering just how good Denver's man coverage was. Seriously, after Kennison's big play to start the game, how many other times did Trent throw to a guy that was really open? Anyone? They were all over our recievers... I fail to see how you can blame him for guys not being open, but we've got people in this thread who are trying to prop up Plummer and Gannon as the best QB in this division, so mindless criticism comes with the territory.

KC Kings · 09-21-2004, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

• Decimated WR corps. We must find a way to get Hall and young Mr. Smith involved. Young and raw he may be, but Smith still has the speed we lose with Kennison out of the game.

You can tell who already bought the Star Wars DVD release. Gaz is starting to sound like Yoda.

Gaz · 09-21-2004, 03:47 PM

htismaqe summed it up in another thread, but I will repeat the salient points here.

Our Defense is new. No one should have expected them to dominate anyone right off the bat [if our roster allows them to dominate at all].

Even so, the Defense showed signs of improvement. The forced some punts, stopped several runs for negative yardage, got [2] turnovers and even returned one of them into a touchdown [which, by the way, matched the TD production of the “high-octane” Offense]. They are not as good now as they will be later in the season. The incremental improvement will continue. Certainly not as fast as we would like, but it would be foolish to expect anything else.

The Offense, on the other hand, has taken several giant steps backwards. It is essentially the same Offense that tore up the NFL last season. And yet they have done nothing [with the glaring exception of a heroic individual performance from Holes in week #1]. Ten points from the hottest Offense in the NFL? They repeatedly gave the ball to the Panthers, sending the Chiefs D back onto the field. No wonder the Carolina front four was fresh. They did not have to play all that much. Our O would run four or five plays and then give up the ball again. The Chiefs Offense ran a grand total of [4] plays in the entire 3rd quarter.

There is only one segment of the Chiefs team that hideously under-performed last Sunday. The Offense. Something is hard-broke there. That is where our concern should be.

xoxo~
Gaz
Putting the blame squarely where it belongs.

whoman69 · 09-21-2004, 05:32 PM

Not to start a Grbac comparison, but Trent isn't the one that can't get open and can't catch the ball once it gets there.

WilliamTheIrish · 09-21-2004, 05:38 PM

Respectfully Gaz, I'll disagree on the D. The Panthers were minus their two best players. Still the Panthers tore this D a new chute.

The O got 4 plays in the 3rd because the D failed miserably in that quarter. Yes I realize that Warfield got the INT for a score.

But what happened on the ensuing Carolina possesion? After a real (expletive) excessive celebration call, Carolina went 56 yards in 8 plays for the TD and the lead. Game over. The D gave us a lead, then gave it right back, through no fault of the O.

In the 4th Quarter The Chiefs had drives of 7 plays (punt), 1 play (fumble) 10 plays (INT) 4 plays (lost on downs) and 1 play (game over). 7 minutes of total possesion.

Forgive me for expecting better out of defense that was playing AT HOME in the season opener, against a team that was without it's two best players.

I'm discouraged.

On the offensive side, I feel the game swung on 2 decisions.

1) to not try for a first down on 4th and 1 late in the 2nd with the best player in the league in the backfield. Could have had 3 more shots to get it in the EZ or shortened the kick.

2) failing to give Holmes more touches overall.

Just plain stupid IMO.

OK, I'm done. On to the Texans.

38yrsfan · 09-21-2004, 06:10 PM

Poor decisions by Green didn't help either. Throwing into multiple coverage, overthrowing, and not having much to work with are contributing. It's my fault though, I said he'd return to the Pro Bowl.

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2004, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 38yrsfan

Poor decisions by Green didn't help either. Throwing into multiple coverage, overthrowing, and not having much to work with are contributing. It's my fault though, I said he'd return to the Pro Bowl.

This is the norm for Green early in the season. The reason it is being magnified is because of the level of competition we are facing. That and our defense is playing like garbage. At the beginning of the season last year our defense played quite well.

**BigRedChief** · 09-22-2004, 06:31 AM

I still believe in Trent. That the "real" QB is the one from the last two seasons and no the one from the first season here.

InChiefsHeaven · 09-22-2004, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I'm seeing flashes of the leader trying to do to much again.

Agreed, but I'm seeing flashes of the leader HAVING to do to much again. He needs some help from the team, 's all there is too it...

milkman · 09-22-2004, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Respectfully Gaz, I'll disagree on the D. The Panthers were minus their two best players. Still the Panthers tore this D a new chute.

The O got 4 plays in the 3rd because the D failed miserably in that quarter. Yes I realize that Warfield got the INT for a score.

But what happened on the ensuing Carolina possesion? After a real (expletive) excessive celebration call, Carolina went 56 yards in 8 plays for the TD and the lead. Game over. The D gave us a lead, then gave it right back, through no fault of the O.

I agree William.
However, if the O had peformed at the high level that we had come to expect in the first half, and they had put some points on the board, then that drive in the 3rd Qtr would have been meaningless

If the Chiefs O had put some points on the board in the 1st half, the Panthers might have had to come out in a different mindset on O, and maybe that drive doesn't happen.

I would expect where we would see marked improvement on D quickly would be in situations where the opposition has to play catch up, and Gun can let loose the hounds.

Gaz · 09-22-2004, 09:00 AM

The pertinent question is: Which part of the team did you expect to carry the team?

I expected the Defense to struggle. It is only game #2 under a new scheme. I see improvement [negative yardage on runs, for example], but I do not think anyone rightfully expected the Chiefs Defense to dominate anyone at this point in the season [if at all].

I expected the Offense to move the ball. This is essentially the same Offense that tore up the NFL last season and the Defense matched them TD for TD. They had one good drive that ended in a FG [bad choice, DV]. The Offense’s TD came on the heels of a PI call that put them at the 1-yard line. A gift. Other than that, all the Offense did was hand the ball back to The Enemy and put our D back on the field.

I am not saying that our Defense is great. Our Defense is still rebuilding and will only get better in small chunks. However, the Offense has not lived up to its reputation and is hanging our Defense out to dry.

xoxo~
Gaz
Finds one segment of the team falling WAY below expectations.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-22-2004, 09:11 AM

I know our D isn't great, but if our O was producing like last season, we'd be 2-0...

Coogs · 09-22-2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

but I do not think anyone rightfully expected the Chiefs Defense to dominate anyone at this point in the season [if at all].

I suspect that, even though it was the pre-season, the defense Gun unleashed on the Rams at Arrowhead maybe led a few of us astray. I know it did me. I had visions of the Gun defense from years gone by dancing in my head. And as a GR basher that faulted the scheme instead of the players, that preseason game left me saying "I knew it"!

Now I am comming back to the reality that it may take a while. Perhaps even a year or two to aquire a bit more talent to make the thing fly.

09-21-2004, 11:15 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	National Media starts the bashing. It's Trent's fault now. From cbssportline: Green hit eight of his first nine, then was 9 of 25 the rest of the way. For the second straight week he completed only half of his passes. For the second straight week he didn't have 200 yards in completions. For the second straight week he had no touchdowns. You can look it up: In two weeks he's 23 of 66 for 361 yards, no TDs and two interceptions, and you want to know what's wrong with the defense? The link: http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7698339
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09-21-2004, 02:15 PM	#31
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	I think Trent has led the team. He's not a fiery speech maker. You can't make him one but he is leading by example. When Priest cuts back the other way and he needs to throw a block on some 6'9" 330 lb DE he sticks his head and body in there. Players respect that. He did it against Julius Peppers last week. Elvis would have been backing out of the play. Trent's going to be fine. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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09-21-2004, 02:56 PM	#33
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1867500	People (and opposing fans) just look at this at face value with stats and say Green isn't playing well. I think he was very sharp against the Broncos... very sharp. Lesser QB's would've had 3 or 4 INT's considering just how good Denver's man coverage was. Seriously, after Kennison's big play to start the game, how many other times did Trent throw to a guy that was really open? Anyone? They were all over our recievers... I fail to see how you can blame him for guys not being open, but we've got people in this thread who are trying to prop up Plummer and Gannon as the best QB in this division, so mindless criticism comes with the territory.
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09-21-2004, 03:47 PM	#35
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	WilliamTheIrish- htismaqe summed it up in another thread, but I will repeat the salient points here. Our Defense is new. No one should have expected them to dominate anyone right off the bat [if our roster allows them to dominate at all]. Even so, the Defense showed signs of improvement. The forced some punts, stopped several runs for negative yardage, got [2] turnovers and even returned one of them into a touchdown [which, by the way, matched the TD production of the “high-octane” Offense]. They are not as good now as they will be later in the season. The incremental improvement will continue. Certainly not as fast as we would like, but it would be foolish to expect anything else. The Offense, on the other hand, has taken several giant steps backwards. It is essentially the same Offense that tore up the NFL last season. And yet they have done nothing [with the glaring exception of a heroic individual performance from Holes in week #1]. Ten points from the hottest Offense in the NFL? They repeatedly gave the ball to the Panthers, sending the Chiefs D back onto the field. No wonder the Carolina front four was fresh. They did not have to play all that much. Our O would run four or five plays and then give up the ball again. The Chiefs Offense ran a grand total of [4] plays in the entire 3rd quarter. There is only one segment of the Chiefs team that hideously under-performed last Sunday. The Offense. Something is hard-broke there. That is where our concern should be. xoxo~ Gaz Putting the blame squarely where it belongs.
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09-21-2004, 05:38 PM	#37
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2590607	Respectfully Gaz, I'll disagree on the D. The Panthers were minus their two best players. Still the Panthers tore this D a new chute. The O got 4 plays in the 3rd because the D failed miserably in that quarter. Yes I realize that Warfield got the INT for a score. But what happened on the ensuing Carolina possesion? After a real (expletive) excessive celebration call, Carolina went 56 yards in 8 plays for the TD and the lead. Game over. The D gave us a lead, then gave it right back, through no fault of the O. In the 4th Quarter The Chiefs had drives of 7 plays (punt), 1 play (fumble) 10 plays (INT) 4 plays (lost on downs) and 1 play (game over). 7 minutes of total possesion. Forgive me for expecting better out of defense that was playing AT HOME in the season opener, against a team that was without it's two best players. I'm discouraged. On the offensive side, I feel the game swung on 2 decisions. 1) to not try for a first down on 4th and 1 late in the 2nd with the best player in the league in the backfield. Could have had 3 more shots to get it in the EZ or shortened the kick. 2) failing to give Holmes more touches overall. Just plain stupid IMO. OK, I'm done. On to the Texans.
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09-21-2004, 06:10 PM	#38
38yrsfan Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In many minds, rent free. Casino cash: $9935667	Poor decisions by Green didn't help either. Throwing into multiple coverage, overthrowing, and not having much to work with are contributing. It's my fault though, I said he'd return to the Pro Bowl. __________________ During the 75 season the Chiefs mascot Warpaint would circle the field after a touchdown. This prompted a great quote from long ago Raiders coach John Madden after the 42-10 loss at Arrowhead. "We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
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09-22-2004, 06:31 AM	#40
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	I still believe in Trent. That the "real" QB is the one from the last two seasons and no the one from the first season here. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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09-22-2004, 09:00 AM	#43
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	What did we expect? The pertinent question is: Which part of the team did you expect to carry the team? I expected the Defense to struggle. It is only game #2 under a new scheme. I see improvement [negative yardage on runs, for example], but I do not think anyone rightfully expected the Chiefs Defense to dominate anyone at this point in the season [if at all]. I expected the Offense to move the ball. This is essentially the same Offense that tore up the NFL last season and the Defense matched them TD for TD. They had one good drive that ended in a FG [bad choice, DV]. The Offense’s TD came on the heels of a PI call that put them at the 1-yard line. A gift. Other than that, all the Offense did was hand the ball back to The Enemy and put our D back on the field. I am not saying that our Defense is great. Our Defense is still rebuilding and will only get better in small chunks. However, the Offense has not lived up to its reputation and is hanging our Defense out to dry. xoxo~ Gaz Finds one segment of the team falling WAY below expectations.
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09-22-2004, 09:11 AM	#44
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	I know our D isn't great, but if our O was producing like last season, we'd be 2-0...
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