Let's put all the QB talk right here

[Mecca]

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefs1okie

Some of those comments convinced me that you have not watched Bradford much. Nothing wrong with assuming that because Oklahoma scores a lot that the QB is only playing pitch and catch..... I will admit I haven't watched much of Sanchez or Stafford so I won't comment on what I think they can or can't do. If the only justification you have of your quick dismissal of Bradford is one game against Baylor, and then calling me reeruned for thinking Bradford is an exceptional Q.B., I am convinced you are just talking to hear yourself speak. Watch his highlight film. Watch the throws. Watch him stand in the pocket and just get nailed after he throws, watch him scan the "D" before and after the snap, watch him throw some touch passes, watch him throw bullets on the run, watch him throw darts to recievers in the middle of the field. Go do some homework and if you are convinced still that Bradford is not a good, solid Q.B. then I will listen to you, if you arent willing to do this first before calling someone reeruned then go back to your little war game with gochiefs and leave reality to others.

There's nothing like a homer with a sand dildo lodged up their birth canal.

Watch this highlight. His first two throws are rock solid. He faces good pressure, takes a hit, and gets rid of the ball.

Now, if you look at the other highlights, it's mainly a collection of receivers with a lot of separation. The WR on the fade route to the right corner of the endzone had more separation than anyone I've ever seen get on that route.

At :58 he has a massive pocket and no pass rush, and throws over the middle to a WR who had a 3 yard cushion from the DB who only closed once the ball was already there.

Next play: Slant, wide open receiver.

Last play: huge pocket, lobs it to 18, who is almost uncovered and he tears away.

These aren't hard throws.

If you want to see a QB making tough ass throws, go back and watch Stafford play against Alabama. His receivers had no separation, he was constantly harassed, and was throwing across his body and on the run almost the whole night.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Look at this highlight reel for further clarification.

Huge pockets, all day to throw, and receivers who are getting huge separation from DBs.

Those four throws against Mizzou...anyone could make those.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Look at this highlight reel for further clarification.

Huge pockets, all day to throw, and receivers who are getting huge separation from DBs.

Those four throws against Mizzou...anyone could make those.

Nice soundtrack. Is that the English cast recording of Les Miz?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Nice soundtrack. Is that the English cast recording of Les Miz?

I believe it's "Oh Africa, Brave Africa". It was a laugh riot.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I believe it's "Oh Africa, Brave Africa". It was a laugh riot.

[chiefs1okie]

I could go through all his games, if I chose to, and find replays that would make him look like a total schmuck or the second coming. that one minute and twenty eight second clip can't possibly give you enough information to say he is or is not a good quarterback. When he won the starting job last year I thought the coaches had lost their minds... starting a redshirt freshman??? In the Big 12??? No game experience and he is starting over some blue chip recruits??? All he has done since is game after game prove to Sooner fans that the decision was the right one. He is a very good quarterback. You and I, as far as I know have never had a conversation of any kind and yet you resort to things like this ....

"There's nothing like a homer with a sand dildo lodged up their birth canal."

You, sir, are deserving of being turned over your mamma's knee and belted for such childish behavior.

[chiefs1okie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There's nothing like a homer with a sand dildo lodged up their birth canal.

Watch this highlight. His first two throws are rock solid. He faces good pressure, takes a hit, and gets rid of the ball.

Now, if you look at the other highlights, it's mainly a collection of receivers with a lot of separation. The WR on the fade route to the right corner of the endzone had more separation than anyone I've ever seen get on that route.

At :58 he has a massive pocket and no pass rush, and throws over the middle to a WR who had a 3 yard cushion from the DB who only closed once the ball was already there.

Next play: Slant, wide open receiver.

Last play: huge pocket, lobs it to 18, who is almost uncovered and he tears away.

These aren't hard throws.

If you want to see a QB making tough ass throws, go back and watch Stafford play against Alabama. His receivers had no separation, he was constantly harassed, and was throwing across his body and on the run almost the whole night.

I don't need to do that, if you say he is a good quarterback and makes tough throws I have no reason to doubt you. I certainly wouldn't resort to name calling because we have differing opinions of a college quarterback. Stafford gets a lot of play in media and there are a lot of fans touting him, I have no reason to doubt that what you say can be backed up by stats and highlights... why is it so hard for you to be as objective about Bradford?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefs1okie

I could go through all his games, if I chose to, and find replays that would make him look like a total schmuck or the second coming. that one minute and twenty eight second clip can't possibly give you enough information to say he is or is not a good quarterback. When he won the starting job last year I thought the coaches had lost their minds... starting a redshirt freshman??? In the Big 12??? No game experience and he is starting over some blue chip recruits??? All he has done since is game after game prove to Sooner fans that the decision was the right one. He is a very good quarterback. You and I, as far as I know have never had a conversation of any kind and yet you resort to things like this ....

"There's nothing like a homer with a sand dildo lodged up their birth canal."

You, sir, are deserving of being turned over your mamma's knee and belted for such childish behavior.

Dude, unless you get some thicker skin, there is just no way you are going to last around here.

First of all, I've never said that Bradford can't or won't be a successful NFL QB. I suggest that you read the thread.

What I have said, repeatedly, is that people can't look at his college stats as a good indicator of how he'll project to the pros. He has tons of time to throw, and his wide receivers get a shit ton of separation. The only thing I can do on here is show clips of that. I'm not going to order OU game footage and break it down like the Zapruder film, but I have seen him play, and I can tell you that he hasn't had to make NFL throws because of the talent around him and the dearth of talent across from him.

[SBK]

Bradford is going to become the new Oher, you just watch.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dude, unless you get some thicker skin, there is just no way you are going to last around here.

First of all, I've never said that Bradford can't or won't be a successful NFL QB. I suggest that you read the thread.

What I have said, repeatedly, is that people can't look at his college stats as a good indicator of how he'll project to the pros. He has tons of time to throw, and his wide receivers get a shit ton of separation. The only thing I can do on here is show clips of that. I'm not going to order OU game footage and break it down like the Zapruder film, but I have seen him play, and I can tell you that he hasn't had to make NFL throws because of the talent around him and the dearth of talent across from him.

Bradford is extremely accurate. I don't get that from his stat-line, I get it from watching him play. He makes good decisions, goes through reads, and when he faces pressure he still makes good throws.

Stafford has a lot to like as well. However, he is not as accurate as Bradford. And at Alabama he looked like trash, probably because he was running around trying to make something happen. But on his int, he just lobbed it up into triple coverage. That's not good decision making.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Bradford is extremely accurate. I don't get that from his stat-line, I get it from watching him play. He makes good decisions, goes through reads, and when he faces pressure he still makes good throws.

Stafford has a lot to like as well. However, he is not as accurate as Bradford. And at Alabama he looked like trash, probably because he was running around trying to make something happen. But on his int, he just lobbed it up into triple coverage. That's not good decision making.

One of the reasons why Stafford isn't as accurate is because his mechanics aren't as refined as Bradford's. Bradford has excellent mechanics for a college QB, but Stafford has far more natural physical ability. He's bigger, more mobile, and he has a cannon for an arm. If he works on his footwork and tweaks his throwing motion, there is no reason not to believe he can't be a Carson Palmer-type quarterback.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One of the reasons why Stafford isn't as accurate is because his mechanics aren't as refined as Bradford's. Bradford has excellent mechanics for a college QB, but Stafford has far more natural physical ability. He's bigger, more mobile, and he has a cannon for an arm. If he works on his footwork and tweaks his throwing motion, there is no reason not to believe he can't be a Carson Palmer-type quarterback.

The ONLY area Stafford has Bradford hands down beat is arm strength.

Their builds are quite comparable:
Stafford is 6'3" 230
Bradford is 6'4" 220

Their 40 times are quite comparable:
Stafford 40 - 4.7
Bradford 40 - 4.64

Hell, their names are quite comparable:
Stafford: City in Britain
Bradford: City in Britain

Bradford throws on the move just as well, from what I've seen, as Stafford. I can't wait to see their Wonderlic scores.

[chiefs1okie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One of the reasons why Stafford isn't as accurate is because his mechanics aren't as refined as Bradford's. Bradford has excellent mechanics for a college QB, but Stafford has far more natural physical ability. He's bigger, more mobile, and he has a cannon for an arm. If he works on his footwork and tweaks his throwing motion, there is no reason not to believe he can't be a Carson Palmer-type quarterback.

And Bradford is only 1 1/2 years into a starting Q.B. position in one of the toughest conferences in college football. He already has excellent mechanics? I would say he has a lot of potential to be a great one, wouldn't you? Maybe his accuracy has something to do with his receivers looking like they are wide open constantly, I looked at the highlights you posted and one thing I noticed from them is that he rarely puts a ball where a defender can get it. (only 3 INT's this yr) He tends to lead his receiver away from the defender, puts a ball where the receiver isnt slowing down to catch it, uses strength passes and touch passes extremely well, and in those same highlights I saw him make some throws you said he doesn't make. Who is to say whether Stafford or Bradford is the better Q.B. and why even bother debating it.

I haven't seen him throw a 15 yard out or a 20 yard square-in on a frozen rope when one of his WRs is wearing a DB like a cheap suit. It doesn't mean he can't, but to assume he can because he can play pitch and catch against f***ing Baylor is just flat out reeruned.

My only point is that I have watched him for 1 1/2 yrs., and to answer your comment..... yes, I have seen him throw a 15 yard out and 20yrd square in on a frozen rope. And I have seen him put the ball in a hole between two and three defenders covering the receiver like a cheap suit.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Their builds are quite comparable:
Stafford is 6'3" 230
Bradford is 6'4" 220

Dude I am as big of a Bradford fan there is but Bradford is no way as big as Stafford. Its not even close.

[chiefs1okie]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Dude I am as big of a Bradford fan there is but Bradford is no way as big as Stafford. Its not even close.

Got that from the NCAA site. Didn't use the Sooner stat site, but they list him as 6'5". More inclined to believe the stretched 6'4"(more inclined to believe 6'2"-6'3') stat, as for his weight they list him at 218... probably pretty close, I stand 6'2" and weigh 235ish. Standing next to him I don't notice any glaring differences in our sizes other than his flatgut and my beergut.