Houston Signs

[Mr_Tomahawk]

KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 15, 2015

Chiefs LB Justin Houston's new 6-year, $101 million deal also is second richest deal in NFL history behind only NdamukongSuh's.

— Adam Schefter(@AdamSchefter) July 15, 2015

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Originally Posted by O.city

Approach them about it now. With the tag option, just gotta get 1 locked up

honestly i think poe is the one who is getting overvalued, he may be the one who walks

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Prisco got owned!

How can he say VDbag had a better year than Houston? Dumb.

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

[RunKC]

Until Von gets 23 sacks he's not as good as Houston. He's not even a top 3 defensive player from his draft class.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Until Von gets 23 sacks he's not as good as Houston

So you're saying that Justin Houston is better than Reggie White?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

JJ Watt gets half of his sacks vs a terrible Jags and Titans offensive line

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

**** YOU

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

This was a stupid argument when it was made years ago as justification for dealing Jared Allen. It's a stupid argument now.

Virtually ALL pass-rushers get their sacks in bunches and a vast majority of those come against poor lineman. Miller had 6 games last year where he didn't get a sack; Houston had 3. And yes, 7 of Houston's sacks came in 2 games (Rams and Chargers) but the thing about those games is that Houston controlled those football games. So setting aside the fact that it means that Houston had 15 sacks on the season even if you take out his two best games (still more than Miller's 14), Houston's performance in those 2 games was enormous.

If you have a player like Houston or DT (or yes, even Miller) that is going to go out there 2 or 3 times a year and just put the opposition in a stranglehold, that's incredibly valuable. It's also how virtually all pass-rushers manifest their worth to a defense.

But again, I think the fact that Houston is also a premier coverage and run-support strong-side OLB is a feather in his cap rather than a knock against him as you keep trying to make it. Few players can get 22 sacks against a QB and hold their own in contain and coverage. Had they just put Houston in Hali's spot and sent him on kamikaze runs after the QB 80+% of the time, he'd have had more sacks. You note that he doesn't face premier LTs but ignore the fact that he had to operate on the strong side, dealing with a potential chip from the TE and more run responsibility. He took it in stride and was still an explosive pass-rusher.

Von's a year removed from his knee injury and playing essentially the same position as Houston is. We'll see what kind of impact he has. It will be pretty easily settled on the field.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So you're saying that Justin Houston is better than Reggie White?

No, but that's because there is much more passing now than when he played. More opportunities for defenses today.

Also, eat shit you trolling turd herder.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

You're right 22 sacks isn't elite. GTFO you ignorant buffoon.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

Yep that sucks when D. players get sacks in bunches. I guess sacks only count if they are against All Pros now.

Houston had better stats, better in coverage, no penalties and barely missed being named D player of the year...

But please, keep telling how he is Not an elite player.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This was a stupid argument when it was made years ago as justification for dealing Jared Allen. It's a stupid argument now.

Virtually ALL pass-rushers get their sacks in bunches and a vast majority of those come against poor lineman. Miller had 6 games last year where he didn't get a sack; Houston had 3. And yes, 7 of Houston's sacks came in 2 games (Rams and Chargers) but the thing about those games is that Houston controlled those football games. So setting aside the fact that it means that Houston had 15 sacks on the season even if you take out his two best games (still more than Miller's 14), Houston's performance in those 2 games was enormous.

If you have a player like Houston or DT (or yes, even Miller) that is going to go out there 2 or 3 times a year and just put the opposition in a stranglehold, that's incredibly valuable. It's also how virtually all pass-rushers manifest their worth to a defense.

But again, I think the fact that Houston is also a premier coverage and run-support strong-side OLB is a feather in his cap rather than a knock against him as you keep trying to make it. Few players can get 22 sacks against a QB and hold their own in contain and coverage. Had they just put Houston in Hali's spot and sent him on kamikaze runs after the QB 80+% of the time, he'd have had more sacks. You note that he doesn't face premier LTs but ignore the fact that he had to operate on the strong side, dealing with a potential chip from the TE and more run responsibility. He took it in stride and was still an explosive pass-rusher.

Von's a year removed from his knee injury and playing essentially the same position as Houston is. We'll see what kind of impact he has. It will be pretty easily settled on the field.

Excellent Post! Rep worthy!

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by RunKC

JJ Watt gets half of his sacks vs a terrible Jags and Titans offensive line

They also move him around the defensive line to match him up with the opponent's weakest offensive lineman.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

They also move him around the defensive line to match him up with the opponent's weakest offensive lineman.

I guess that makes V Dbag better than Watt- because he only plays against All Pros and is triple-teamed every single play according to Knowmore.

I wonder if Vonn ever got a drivers license?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This was a stupid argument when it was made years ago as justification for dealing Jared Allen. It's a stupid argument now.

Virtually ALL pass-rushers get their sacks in bunches and a vast majority of those come against poor lineman. Miller had 6 games last year where he didn't get a sack; Houston had 3. And yes, 7 of Houston's sacks came in 2 games (Rams and Chargers) but the thing about those games is that Houston controlled those football games. So setting aside the fact that it means that Houston had 15 sacks on the season even if you take out his two best games (still more than Miller's 14), Houston's performance in those 2 games was enormous.

If you have a player like Houston or DT (or yes, even Miller) that is going to go out there 2 or 3 times a year and just put the opposition in a stranglehold, that's incredibly valuable. It's also how virtually all pass-rushers manifest their worth to a defense.

But again, I think the fact that Houston is also a premier coverage and run-support strong-side OLB is a feather in his cap rather than a knock against him as you keep trying to make it. Few players can get 22 sacks against a QB and hold their own in contain and coverage. Had they just put Houston in Hali's spot and sent him on kamikaze runs after the QB 80+% of the time, he'd have had more sacks. You note that he doesn't face premier LTs but ignore the fact that he had to operate on the strong side, dealing with a potential chip from the TE and more run responsibility. He took it in stride and was still an explosive pass-rusher.

Von's a year removed from his knee injury and playing essentially the same position as Houston is. We'll see what kind of impact he has. It will be pretty easily settled on the field.

Great post.
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[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This was a stupid argument when it was made years ago as justification for dealing Jared Allen. It's a stupid argument now.

Virtually ALL pass-rushers get their sacks in bunches and a vast majority of those come against poor lineman.

Yep... reminds me of Vermiel saying things like, "If you remove the two long running plays we gave up, we held him pretty well." Most RBs gets yards in several large bunches in a game. Same with sacks.