***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Except the contact tracing is not showing restaurants as a high risk. That being said using your logic or lack thereof, we need to shut down everything because if 1 person gets it from "insert place here" and brings it home it infects 4-5 people bla, bla, bla.

People are wearing masks /taking some precautions in public dining areas, although not 100% but that might be helping, in homes people are taking zero precautions, so it only takes a few dinners getting it to cause an issue.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

What part of this don't you understand?

“Living room spread” is a big reason why COVID is surging.

Some steps to lower the risk if you choose to be indoors with people not in your household:

JFC you are a complete idiot at times.

I got an idea...close restaurants so people don't gather in homes!!!!!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

People are wearing masks /taking some precautions in public dining areas, although not 100% but that might be helping, in homes people are taking zero precautions, so it only takes a few dinners getting it to cause an issue.

Wow, so let's close the places that are taking precautions so people have no place to go except those places that aren't.

GREAT PLAN!!!

Do you even think before you start spewing your myopic bullshit?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

JFC you are a complete idiot at times.

I got an idea...close restaurants so people don't gather in homes!!!!!

That was in response to your "living room spread" comment. As you can see, he's talking about gatherings at home with members of multiple households, as someone else previously tried to explain to you.

The ban on indoor dining is based on hospitalization rates.

You tried to link two things which really aren't, because of your political bias and agenda.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

That was in response to your "living room spread" comment. As you can see, he's talking about gatherings at home with members of multiple households, as someone else previously tried to explain to you.

The ban on indoor dining is based on hospitalization rates.

You tried to link two things which really aren't, because of your political bias and agenda.

So where is the data that says indoor dining is causing hospitalizations?

Keep Dongering yourself....this is fun

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Wow, so let's close the places that are taking precautions so people have no place to go except those places that aren't.

GREAT PLAN!!!

Do you even think before you start spewing your myopic bullshit?

maybe people should sleep in the restaurants too.

if you do not get the disease you can't bring it home. closing restaurants reduces the possibility of getting people exposed, because right now what they are doing isn't working so they are trying something else.

[petegz28]

There is no data that shows indoor dining is a high risk

Donger: So what..politics and bias and agendas!!!!

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Donger

That was in response to your "living room spread" comment. As you can see, he's talking about gatherings at home with members of multiple households, as someone else previously tried to explain to you.

The ban on indoor dining is based on hospitalization rates.

You tried to link two things which really aren't, because of your political bias and agenda.

Meanwhile, people are going to work every single day...INDOORS fast food, gas stations etc.

All the cooks are in the kitchens all over KC

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

maybe people should sleep in the restaurants too.

if you do not get the disease you can't bring it home. closing restaurants reduces the possibility of getting people exposed, because right now what they are doing isn't working so they are trying something else.

Hey what else should we close? You know because if 1 person gets it from somewhere and comes home......

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So where is the data that says indoor dining is causing hospitalizations?

Keep Dongering yourself....this is fun

Who said there was, pete?

"Hospitalizations have not stabilized, and with a rising infection rate and NYC's density, this means that indoor dining is too high of a risk," the governor tweeted.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Meanwhile, people are going to work every single day...INDOORS fast food, gas stations etc.

The argument is beyond idiotic. Every day more and more officials are having to acknowledge that closing restaurants is to deter people from going out not because restaurants are the debil!

But hey, you know, politics and what not.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Who said there was, pete?

"Hospitalizations have not stabilized, and with a rising infection rate and NYC's density, this means that indoor dining is too high of a risk," the governor tweeted.

There is no data but....DONGER!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

There is no data but....DONGER!

I didn't say there was or wasn't, pete. You're terrible at this.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I didn't say there was or wasn't, pete. You're terrible at this.

K, Donger....

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

K, Donger....

Okay, time to break out the crayons...

We know this is spread by humans. Indoor dining includes people from multiple households, where masks are removed during eating. Therefore, it is an increases the risk of bringing the virus home.

So, they are going to mitigate that risk. It's pretty simple.