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Old 03-20-2023, 07:03 AM   #1
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I think this is about right. We're either getting cheaper or better, probably not both. But we might get cheaper and roughly equivalent in pass protection/worse in run blocking. If that's how it shakes out then it's probably a win.Right now, before JT has played at LT, it's a better deal for the Bengals
After Tunsil extended with the Texans, we got cheaper. Taylor is signed for 4 years at below market. We need him to perform at a high level, wherever.

OBJ's contract with the Bungles is falling fast.
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Old 03-20-2023, 07:21 AM   #2
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After Tunsil extended with the Texans, we got cheaper. Taylor is signed for 4 years at below market. We need him to perform at a high level, wherever.

OBJ's contract with the Bungles is falling fast.
Below market? If he plays RT he's the highest paid RT in the game. If he plays LT he's 4th. That aint below market, and was there anyone pegging him as one of the highest paid tackles in the NFL prior to the deal? We need him to perform at a high level, period.
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Old 03-19-2023, 10:04 AM   #3
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Bengals have a good deal. They have a guy cheaper (right now) than ours with a proven floor at LT, which ours doesn't have. I know a lot of people here didn't rate OBJ, me too at times, but it's silly suggesting we wouldn't have taken the OBJ deal over the JT one imo. However...we'll see what it ultimately costs them. Brown wanted more of it guaranteed early. What's the chance he asks for an extension and a payrise before he gets to those leaner final years? I don't know if Taylor ends up being a better LT, there's massive over confidence on that imo, but I do think there's a very good chance he ends up being cheaper.
“Proven floor” he was borderline terrible. Not a hard bar to hurdle for the incoming LT. The bengals do NOT have a “good deal”, they paid 17 mil for a turnstile.
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It's kind of odd just how happy/excited coach Taylor looked at the presser. I mean, he's had ample opportunity to study the tape, so he has to know pretty well exactly what OBJ is. And he really wanted him anyway. Guess we'll see if he has a plan for protecting OBj or if he really didn't see OBJ's weaknesses.
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He took a discount because he F-ed around and found out. Cincinnati was most likely his best offer. He wasn’t taking any discount if he didn’t have to.
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He took a discount because he F-ed around and found out. Cincinnati was most likely his best offer. He wasn’t taking any discount if he didn’t have to.
Friend of mine asked me "Would you have signed OBJ at his price or Taylor at his if you knew the numbers beforehand..."

I mostly dodged the question (though I've answered it 'round here somewhere) and went with "it doesn't matter - the Chiefs DIDN'T know the numbers beforehand and that's exactly what OBJ and his 'agent' were counting on..."

They signed Taylor because they COULD. Because he ****ing said yes. They've worked on a deal with Brown for 2 years now and all he ever did was play coy and operate in bad faith. That or just sit ass and procrastinate.

The only thing that could've really ****ed this off-season up for KC was trying to wait on Brown and he knew it. Had the market dried up around him BEFORE the Chiefs got a deal done, he was going to absolutely hold us over a barrel.

Veach fired a pre-emptive strike because he had to. It was no different than Mathieu and his 'top 5 safety' crap. The Chiefs couldn't afford to wait on him to get reasonable so they paid Reid. Meanwhile had Mathieu been willing to sign the deal Reid got from the jump, he almost certainly comes back.

Had Brown and his people made that offer to Veach BEFORE they signed Taylor, I'm betting Brown comes back. But he didn't because he simply wasn't operating in good faith at any point throughout this process. He wanted to leverage the market against KC and Veach jumped the market to avoid it.

Did it require a bit of an overpay to Taylor? Yeah - probably. Was it still the right move? Absolutely, because Brown wasn't giving Veach a choice.
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Friend of mine asked me "Would you have signed OBJ at his price or Taylor at his if you knew the numbers beforehand..."

I mostly dodged the question (though I've answered it 'round here somewhere) and went with "it doesn't matter - the Chiefs DIDN'T know the numbers beforehand and that's exactly what OBJ and his 'agent' were counting on..."

They signed Taylor because they COULD. Because he ****ing said yes. They've worked on a deal with Brown for 2 years now and all he ever did was play coy and operate in bad faith. That or just sit ass and procrastinate.

The only thing that could've really ****ed this off-season up for KC was trying to wait on Brown and he knew it. Had the market dried up around him BEFORE the Chiefs got a deal done, he was going to absolutely hold us over a barrel.

Veach fired a pre-emptive strike because he had to. It was no different than Mathieu and his 'top 5 safety' crap. The Chiefs couldn't afford to wait on him to get reasonable so they paid Reid. Meanwhile had Mathieu been willing to sign the deal Reid got from the jump, he almost certainly comes back.

Had Brown and his people made that offer to Veach BEFORE they signed Taylor, I'm betting Brown comes back. But he didn't because he simply wasn't operating in good faith at any point throughout this process. He wanted to leverage the market against KC and Veach jumped the market to avoid it.

Did it require a bit of an overpay to Taylor? Yeah - probably. Was it still the right move? Absolutely, because Brown wasn't giving Veach a choice.
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Friend of mine asked me "Would you have signed OBJ at his price or Taylor at his if you knew the numbers beforehand..."

I mostly dodged the question (though I've answered it 'round here somewhere) and went with "it doesn't matter - the Chiefs DIDN'T know the numbers beforehand and that's exactly what OBJ and his 'agent' were counting on..."

They signed Taylor because they COULD. Because he ****ing said yes. They've worked on a deal with Brown for 2 years now and all he ever did was play coy and operate in bad faith. That or just sit ass and procrastinate.

The only thing that could've really ****ed this off-season up for KC was trying to wait on Brown and he knew it. Had the market dried up around him BEFORE the Chiefs got a deal done, he was going to absolutely hold us over a barrel.

Veach fired a pre-emptive strike because he had to. It was no different than Mathieu and his 'top 5 safety' crap. The Chiefs couldn't afford to wait on him to get reasonable so they paid Reid. Meanwhile had Mathieu been willing to sign the deal Reid got from the jump, he almost certainly comes back.

Had Brown and his people made that offer to Veach BEFORE they signed Taylor, I'm betting Brown comes back. But he didn't because he simply wasn't operating in good faith at any point throughout this process. He wanted to leverage the market against KC and Veach jumped the market to avoid it.

Did it require a bit of an overpay to Taylor? Yeah - probably. Was it still the right move? Absolutely, because Brown wasn't giving Veach a choice.


I really feel like Taylor is going to be better than OBJ.
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