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Old 09-24-2008, 03:48 AM  
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Let's put all the QB talk right here
Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:48 AM   #556
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Why do people like Colt McCoy I can literally list off 5 issues that should draw red flags.

Stafford is the only one so we need to keep losing.
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:51 AM   #557
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Why do people like Colt McCoy I can literally list off 5 issues that should draw red flags.

Stafford is the only one so we need to keep losing.
He plays in the Big XII.

Red Flags:

Arm Strength
Size
Injury History
Offense
Prior Coaching/Ability to read a defense.

Are those the ones you're thinking of?

It's the same thing with Freeman. Like I told someone else. If you flipped him with Jevan Snead, people are saying the same things about Snead and no ones gives a **** about Freeman. Who gives a shit where the player is from, I just want someone who can effing produce in the NFL.

I don't want us to go Mid 90's Chiefs and only draft Big XII and Big X players.
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:52 AM   #558
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FWIW, Orakpo has shown a combination of production and athleticism that will make him a top three pick in this draft.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:10 AM   #559
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He's by no means Peyton Manning at this point, but there is a demonstrable difference in his development opposed to Josh Freeman.

Freeman reminds me of Jason Campbell. Stafford reminds me of Jay Cutler.
**** me. I'll take either one. Better than Damon Huard.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:11 AM   #560
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**** me. I'll take either one. Better than Damon Huard.
I would say that you are looking at probably a 30% bust rate with Stafford. With Freeman I bet it's closer to 60-70%.
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The McCoy stuff is what I was thinking...and Campbell isn't a bad comparison for Freeman. For the most part Campbell is a guy who worked out well and has never played to his natural physical talent in games.

I could see workouts vaulting Freeman because he is the kind of guy scouts would love but I have a hard time seeing him playing to that physical talent for a long time. He makes alot of dumb decisions..I understand his team sucks and he has no running game but some of the mistakes he makes are inexcusable.

Freeman will be loved by scouts but he's a major project...he's a combination of Flacco, Boller and Campbell.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:52 AM   #562
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check out his high school vid, that's the most Elway-like throw I've seen since John played
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The amazing thing about that throw is that he did it with a flick of the wrist. He didn't wind up or have a running shotput start to it.
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If you run through youtube and watch Staffords highlight vids he has a bunch of ridiculous throws in them.
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The amazing thing about that throw is that he did it with a flick of the wrist. He didn't wind up or have a running shotput start to it.
Which is the reason why I posted it.
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Stafford is a highlight real QB. And nobody is denying that. But is he just a big arm? Sure he can make spectacular throws but does he have consistency?

If he had the arm of Colt McCoy where would he be? This league has a hardon for big arms. If you take away Staffords arm would he even get drafted?
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Stafford is a highlight real QB. And nobody is denying that. But is he just a big arm? Sure he can make spectacular throws but does he have consistency?

If he had the arm of Colt McCoy where would he be? This league has a hardon for big arms. If you take away Staffords arm would he even get drafted?
Well, obviously no. Who wants a one-armed QB?
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Why do people like Colt McCoy I can literally list off 5 issues that should draw red flags.
He's got Matt Ryan-esq leadership qualities. He can take a hit. Good pocket presence. Pretty good decision making. Accurate on short to medium passses. He's got the intangibles. Sure he's a bit undersized and doesn't have the arm that Stafford, but he's a competitive kid with a good head on his shoulders.
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The McCoy stuff is what I was thinking...and Campbell isn't a bad comparison for Freeman. For the most part Campbell is a guy who worked out well and has never played to his natural physical talent in games.

I could see workouts vaulting Freeman because he is the kind of guy scouts would love but I have a hard time seeing him playing to that physical talent for a long time. He makes alot of dumb decisions..I understand his team sucks and he has no running game but some of the mistakes he makes are inexcusable.

Freeman will be loved by scouts but he's a major project...he's a combination of Flacco, Boller and Campbell.
Every guy is going to be a major project - name me a non-redshirt junior QB that came out that wasn't a major project.

The Jevan Snead comp Hamas keeps using for Freeman is just as silly as Kyle Boller comps for Stafford by anti-Stafford people.

Everyone has their biases for these guys, but let's focus on what we do know. On Freeman, we know he's huge, has a big arm, is very athletic, has played in a legit pro system, and has improved his numbers every year despite having an extreme lack of talent around him. No, his decision-making is not perfect yet, but if it was he would be the no-brainer pick at #1 due to his physical tools. Stafford's decision-making is hardly pristine, so I think it's a bit ridiculous to keep harping on Freeman.

Bottom line, I'll take Stafford if we have the chance. But if he's gone, I am definitely intrigued by the idea of taking Freeman with a mid-1st round pick, assuming we can trade down or maybe trade back into the 1st.
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He's got Matt Ryan-esq leadership qualities. He can take a hit. Good pocket presence. Pretty good decision making. Accurate on short to medium passses. He's got the intangibles. Sure he's a bit undersized and doesn't have the arm that Stafford, but he's a competitive kid with a good head on his shoulders.
and he also weighs 200 pounds
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