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Old 04-20-2005, 03:24 PM  
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KC Man spits on Jane Fonda
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TIM CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A man spit tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, police said.

The man ran off but was quickly caught by police Tuesday night and charged with disorderly conduct.


Fonda has been on tour and doing interviews to promote her just-published memoir, "My Life So Far." The thrice-married, two-time Academy Award winner covers a wide array of topics, including her 1972 visit to Hanoi to protest the Vietnam War, during which she was photographed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. She has apologized for that photo, but not for opposing the war.


Capt. Rich Lockhart of the Kansas City Police Department said that although Fonda did not want to press charges against Michael A. Smith, 54, of Kansas City, he was arrested on a municipal charge of disorderly conduct after off-duty officers caught him just outside Unity Temple, where Fonda was signing books.


Lockhart said Smith was released on bond late Tuesday night and is due to appear in municipal court on May 27.


Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star on Wednesday that Fonda was a "traitor" and that her protests against the war were unforgivable. He said he normally does not chew tobacco but did so Tuesday solely to spit juice on the actress.


"I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site, www.kansascity.com. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:54 PM   #46
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This place never ceases to amaze me. You can find someone on the planet who will go to bat for anyone or anything.
I'm no fan of Jane Fonda, neither her acting nor her politics in the 60's. Although speaking out against the Vietnam War was hardly the act of treason many paint it to be, she went above and beyond the threshold of merely exercising free speech rights, and instead became a very active propaganda tool for the enemy that was shooting at our soldiers.

Nevertheless, there's a very limited number of circumstances where I would consider one person spitting in another person's face as anything but classless, disgusting and uncalled for. Getting back at someone for whatever they did 35 years ago isn't likely to qualify unless they ran over your brother or child or something...
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:54 PM   #47
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There are a lot of people that deserve to be spit on (and worse), but that doesn't usually make it right for you to spit on them.


Right or wrong... The bitch got what she deserved... You can whine all about if not being fair... But she deserved what she got...

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Old 04-20-2005, 03:54 PM   #48
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I'd forgive the guy if he had shot her.
Sure, but that's not the point. The question is: would you have shot her yourself (or spit on her)?

It's easy to say, "good job, man" to someone else who does something f'd up in the name of a good cause, but most of us have the decency not to do it ourselves.
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:56 PM   #49
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Right or wrong... The bitch got what she deserved... You can whine all about if not being fair... But she deserved what she got...

Karma is such a sweet thing...
OTOH, as usual this kind fo stuff may be self-defeating. If this gets widespread publicity, then book sales may go up, and he'll pay $100 or whatever and she'll make thousands more.

Karma acts in strange ways. Tempt it not.
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:56 PM   #50
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Right or wrong... The bitch got what she deserved... You can whine all about if not being fair... But she deserved what she got...

Karma is such a sweet thing...
First of all, I think it does sound like she got what she deserved. Second, I haven't said a word about it not being fair.

Just because it was what she deserved doesn't negate the fact that the guy who gave it to her comes off as a classless loser.
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:57 PM   #51
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I don't believe the 1st amendment is generally understood as including spitting on people. If so, I definitely missed that day in law school...
It's what libbies call "Performance Art"
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:58 PM   #52
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I'd forgive the guy if he had shot her.
Shit I would have thrown a party and donated some money to his defense.
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:59 PM   #53
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Let's pause and remember how cool of a guy Henry Fonda was. Oh, he was so good in Once Upon a Time in the West. All his westerns, really. And 12 Angry Men, definitely. It's too bad his daughter grew up to be like that. I think he blamed himself.
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I didn't go to law school, but I don't imagine there was a day in which you learned that the 1st amendment rights were "earned," either -- was there?

I have the utmost respect for any veteran -- but what they didn't for our country, no matter have amazing and brave, doesn't give them the right to do whatever they want.
No, the right to free speech is granted to citizens of this country. However, men and women who fight on behalf of our rights do so to ensure that the rest of us don't have to EARN the right ourselves. This ungrateful twat went beyond protest to advocacy of the enemy. She did PR spots for the North Vietnamese condemning our soldiers for war crimes that were not committed. She felt the ends justified the means and be damned all those who were in captivity and made to listen to her bullshit. So f!ck her right in her treasonous ass, is her book selling in North Vietnam?
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"I may not like what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Unless I *really* don't like what you say, in which case I'll spit on you."
Haha.
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Old 04-20-2005, 04:02 PM   #57
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Right or wrong... The bitch got what she deserved... You can whine all about if not being fair... But she deserved what she got...

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The guy only did what millions would like to have done. Big props to him.
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No, the right to free speech is granted to citizens of this country. However, men and women who fight on behalf of our rights do so to ensure that the rest of us don't have to EARN the right ourselves. This ungrateful twat went beyond protest to advocacy of the enemy. She did PR spots for the North Vietnamese condemning our soldiers for war crimes that were not committed. She felt the ends justified the means and be damned all those who were in captivity and made to listen to her bullshit. So f!ck her right in her treasonous ass, is her book selling in North Vietnam?
Okay, but you're still missing my point. You keep trying to convince me that she was an evildoer. I believe it. I wasn't there to see it, but I'm convinced now. There is no need to further pontificate on the sins she committed 35 years ago. I'm a believer.

But I still think it was classless to spit on her.
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The guy only did what millions would like to have done. Big props to him.
But most of those millions wouldn't go through with it, because while it might be a very enticing fantasy, it's a classless thing to do.
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Okay, but you're still missing my point. You keep trying to convince me that she was an evildoer. I believe it. I wasn't there to see it, but I'm convinced now. There is no need to further pontificate on the sins she committed 35 years ago. I'm a believer.

But I still think it was classless to spit on her.
Well the flaming bag of dog shit on the front steps is always a classic...
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