Singletary's Rant on Vernon Davis

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Awesome.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It seems that in this instance, his team supports him for it.

Time will tell if he's able to properly gauge the temperature of the room for each situation, but in this case, he did so correctly.

I don't think it's a horrible concept to coach like this. There seems to be a lot about the situation that the average fan doesn't know. However, I have always viewed Mike Singletary as a guy who (1) likes to hear himself talk, and (2) thinks more of himself than just about any other person I've met....all the way up to when he told me, "I don't sign fucking autographs when I was 10 years old.

I don't believe you can coach "passion" or "pride" on the NFL level. You either have it, or you play for the money. Singletary may be better suited to coach college ball.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by TRR

I don't think it's a horrible concept to coach like this. There seems to be a lot about the situation that the average fan doesn't know. However, I have always viewed Mike Singletary as a guy who (1) likes to hear himself talk, and (2) thinks more of himself than just about any other person I've met....all the way up to when he told me, "I don't sign fucking autographs when I was 10 years old.

I don't believe you can coach "passion" or "pride" on the NFL level. You either have it, or you play for the money. Singletary may be better suited to coach college ball.

so basically you are biased against him already? ok glad you put that out there. and the passion or pride part if you dont have it then gtfo

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I heard he has short arms too

He does, and anyone who watches Tony Gonzalez every week knows how important those long arms are to a TE. If Gonzo was 6'2" with short arms his career would have been far less productive.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Your kidding right?

So you would want a guy like Veron Davis on your team?

There's a middle ground between not wanting someone on your team and flat out ripping them in the media like this. I would think that a player should expect as much respect from a coach as a coach would respect from a player, even if the player is in the wrong. The fact that Mike Singletary is a first year coach and hasn't build up that kind of respect doesn't exactly help, either.

Let's say that Glenn Dorsey went off on Herm Edwards during a press conference and said, "Herm can't motivate, he can't gameplan, he can't draft, and he doesn't do everything he can to put our team in position to win. I would rather play without a head coach than be led by Herm Edwards."

Would fans in San Francisco be applauding Dorsey? Of course not. They would be ripping him. Davis may be all of the things Singletary said he was. Edwards may be all of the things that Dorsey said in this scenario. That doesn't make it right to go out and blast someone like that in public.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by TRR

I don't think it's a horrible concept to coach like this. There seems to be a lot about the situation that the average fan doesn't know. However, I have always viewed Mike Singletary as a guy who (1) likes to hear himself talk, and (2) thinks more of himself than just about any other person I've met....all the way up to when he told me, "I don't sign fucking autographs when I was 10 years old.

I don't believe you can coach "passion" or "pride" on the NFL level. You either have it, or you play for the money. Singletary may be better suited to coach college ball.

Interesting post, Mr. TRR. His response regarding the autograph was pitiful. There's no excuse for that and it's a shame. If it's any consolation, I think I can get Mr. Iowanian's autograph for you. He'll sign pretty much anything other than a man's body part below the waist.

As for the rest, I think this presser was refreshing. Although you're certainly right about an HC being unable to coach passion or pride, a coach can, I believe, establish clear performance parameters or employment requirements which is, essentially, how I interpret his remarks. As far as publicly calling out the player, who cares? He had already sent the guy to the showers in full view of everybody and their uncle. He might as well explain his reasoning. I prefer that openness to the kind of crap the Chiefs spoon feed us.

Basically, I think the NFL needs more guys who are willing to lay down the law with players. The pendulum has swung too far toward the side of the individual's right to be a selfish dumbass and needs to return to the idea that, in order to be a winner, the team's interests have to trump personal ones.

FAX

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by FAX

Interesting post, Mr. TRR. His response regarding the autograph was pitiful. There's no excuse for that and it's a shame. If it's any consolation, I think I can get Mr. Iowanian's autograph for you. He'll sign pretty much anything other than a man's body part below the waist.

As for the rest, I think this presser was refreshing. Although you're certainly right about an HC being unable to coach passion or pride, a coach can, I believe, establish clear performance parameters or employment requirements which is, essentially, how I interpret his remarks. As far as publicly calling out the player, who cares? He had already sent the guy to the showers in full view of everybody and their uncle. He might as well explain his reasoning. I prefer that openness to the kind of crap the Chiefs spoon feed us.

Basically, I think the NFL needs more guys who are willing to lay down the law with players. The pendulum has swung too far toward the side of the individual's right to be a selfish dumbass and needs to return to the idea that, in order to be a winner, the team's interests have to trump personal ones.
FAX

see new england patriots

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by FAX

Basically, I think the NFL needs more guys who are willing to lay down the law with players. The pendulum has swung too far toward the side of the individual's right to be a selfish dumbass and needs to return to the idea that, in order to be a winner, the team's interests have to trump personal ones.

FAX

I agree with this, but there are better way to do it. When a coach goes to the media, it's a sign of weakness. A coach who demands respect and knows how to lead can get things done internally. When he has to take it public, he's basically trying to drum up sympathy from the fans. This creates an us against them mentality, and nobody benefits from that. It certainly doesn't generate respect from the team.

Any respect that he generates will be because he didn't tolerate the behavior, not because of the press conference. When he sent him to the locker room, that was a sign of leadership. When he went on his rant, that was a rookie coach having a meltdown.

A team is like a family, and a player needs to know that a coach has his back in public even if he's chewing the player's ass in private. If a coach gets to the point where he doesn't have the player's back, the player needs to be cut.

[MahiMike]

That was quite an entrance. Way to set the tone Mike.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I agree with this, but there are better way to do it. When a coach goes to the media, it's a sign of weakness. A coach who demands respect and knows how to lead can get things done internally. When he has to take it public, he's basically trying to drum up sympathy from the fans. This creates an us against them mentality, and nobody benefits from that. It certainly doesn't generate respect from the team.

Any respect that he generates will be because he didn't tolerate the behavior, not because of the press conference. When he sent him to the locker room, that was a sign of leadership. When he went on his rant, that was a rookie coach having a meltdown.

A team is like a family, and a player needs to know that a coach has his back in public even if he's chewing the player's ass in private. If a coach gets to the point where he doesn't have the player's back, the player needs to be cut.

thats probably not too far off, at the very least i would expect them to be shopping him in the offseason

[Reerun_KC]

OMG I want Mike Singletary as the new HC of the Chiefs!

Dude freaking has stones man!

[KCCHIEFS27]

Great message..wrong forum..and I don't think you kick a guy off the field. That is the one and only time I have ever seen that. With that said, I just don't think Mr.Singletary has what it takes and I doubt he wins more than 1 game the rest of the year.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

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thats probably not too far off, at the very least i would expect them to be shopping him in the offseason

I'm sure they will, and that's another reason you don't go out and blast the guy. It's tough to negotiate a trade after telling everyone who will listen how worthless he is.

[Buck]

Click, Clack.

Singletary is awesome

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I agree with this, but there are better way to do it. When a coach goes to the media, it's a sign of weakness. A coach who demands respect and knows how to lead can get things done internally. When he has to take it public, he's basically trying to drum up sympathy from the fans. This creates an us against them mentality, and nobody benefits from that. It certainly doesn't generate respect from the team.

Any respect that he generates will be because he didn't tolerate the behavior, not because of the press conference. When he sent him to the locker room, that was a sign of leadership. When he went on his rant, that was a rookie coach having a meltdown.

A team is like a family, and a player needs to know that a coach has his back in public even if he's chewing the player's ass in private. If a coach gets to the point where he doesn't have the player's back, the player needs to be cut.

Excellent point, Mr. Saul Good. Well taken.

FAX

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TRR

I don't think it's a horrible concept to coach like this. There seems to be a lot about the situation that the average fan doesn't know. However, I have always viewed Mike Singletary as a guy who (1) likes to hear himself talk, and (2) thinks more of himself than just about any other person I've met....all the way up to when he told me, "I don't sign fucking autographs when I was 10 years old.

I don't believe you can coach "passion" or "pride" on the NFL level. You either have it, or you play for the money. Singletary may be better suited to coach college ball.

You should consider yourself fortunate that your skull is not adorned on the outside of the ice cream truck that Singletary drives to the 49er facility everyday.