Underclassmen QB's in the draft.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL.

Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity.

Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown.

Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round.

Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors.


I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police)

He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school.

He then hires his brother.

So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire?

I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter.

Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF?

Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez.

In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.

There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.

[kstater]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

As far as the rapist goes, don't know. Maybe that is why he coming out, so he will have the money to buy the silence of the girls he sexually assaults.

For the record, that was a joke. I am sure that some will blow it out of proportion.

Then I'd say your expectations of a QB are way too high.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by milkman

I also conceded that his workout could very well hurt his draft status, dumb****.

And just for the record, I chose not to answer your question who the agent is.

I was the one who first posted his name a couple of days ago.

Yep, this is 100% true. In fact, you are the only "Sanchez guy" who has admitted this so far.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Two stupid quarterbacks who look to run rather than pass, another guy who came from a system that was notorious for producing overrated prospects...and this is your sample size?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

As far as the rapist goes, don't know. Maybe that is why he coming out, so he will have the money to buy the silence of the girls he sexually assaults.

For the record, that was a joke. I am sure that some will blow it out of proportion.

Not at QB.

Ryan, Flacco and Peyton Manning were exceptions.

Most QBs, even top 5 guys, should be able to watch and learn for at least a season, or at the least, half a season.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

To make sure this isn't obscured by being at the bottom of the page.

Well, I HOPE that Sanchez is better than Akili Smith. But it just shows how a guy can have one good year and then cash in.

Qb's need maturity and experience. I don't see it with this kid.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I'm not attempting to make any kind of an argument on this subject. All I did in this thread was answer the original poster's question and post the facts of who was drafted, and then when Milkman said there were 3 first rounders, I pointed out there were 7. I mean, I understand what you are saying about what kind of offenses these guys were running in college and all that, but it is funny that the only one of these guys who has proven anything, Roethlisberger, also came from a spread offense, and he seems to be OK.

Yeah, sorry, I made a cursory glance at the list, and ****ed up.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by doomy3

Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001
Rex Grossman Florida 2003
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004
Aaron Rodgers California 2005
Alex Smith Utah 2005
Vince Young Texas 2006
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007


Well these are all first rounders, so there have been 7 actually since 1998. I would say that all but Ben and Rodgers have been pretty underwhelming, and the jury is still out on Russell.

Running QB
Spread QB
Spread QB (made it work, future HOFer most likely)
Rodgers
Spread QB
Running Spread QB
Notoriously Lazy QB.

If I were looking at this list, I'd say it tells me one thing:

Don't take a QB from the spread.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

For any position other than QB this should be the case.

At some point either this year or in 2011 we are going to have to draft and develop a QB...

Are we willing to throw away the next two seasons waiting on the 2011 draft class? People seem to think there are two ways to aquire a QB...

Do we want to have the "team" in place than have to sit around and watch guys get older, contracts expire, FA, etc, before we finally draft a QBOTF and invest the time into building a championship team?

Or do we draft one this year and start developing him so in 3 years we are maybe in place to make a playoff push to a championship?

Such a tough window we are in right now with nothing to speak of coming out next year in the QB position... And no, I see enough Big 12 football, there isnt ONE QB coming out next year worthy of a 1st round pick... Sorry OU fans...

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

As far as the rapist goes, don't know. Maybe that is why he coming out, so he will have the money to buy the silence of the girls he sexually assaults.

For the record, that was a joke. I am sure that some will blow it out of proportion.

Sanchez is 22 years old. Even if he sits out for 2 seasons, he'll still be young when he takes over as the starter. There are valid reasons to avoid taking Sanchez at #3, but just thinking that he's not ready yet is not one of them, because a franchise quarterback is worth waiting a year or two for, no matter where he's picked in the draft.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

Not at QB.

Ryan, Flacco and Peyton Manning were exceptions.

Most QBs, even top 5 guys, should be able to watch and learn for at least a season, or at the least, half a season.

I don't think it will happen that often anymore. It used to be the way of the NFL, but times have changed for the most part.

And, I am not talking about watching for a season. I am fine with that. I don't think he will be ready next year either, if then.

If you are going to wait two years, then you might as well draft a project like Nate Davis.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yet, neither of the guys that are successes, Rothlisberger and Rodgers were top five picks. Neither had that pressure to deal with.

Is there some new magic pressure that goes with being the #3 overall pick as opposed to the #10?

Did Roethlisberger take the field, at any time, breathing a large sigh of relief that he didn't have to bear that enormous top 5 burden?

I'm sure the fanbase would have been very forgiving because, hey, he was just a shitty #10 overall pick, not a "top 5."

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Sanchez is 22 years old. Even if he sits out for 2 seasons, he'll still be young when he takes over as the starter. There are valid reasons to avoid taking Sanchez at #3, but just thinking that he's not ready yet is not one of them, because a franchise quarterback is worth waiting a year or two for, no matter where he's picked in the draft.

Then we dissagree. And, that is fine. I don't think you pay a QB huge money to ride the bench for two years in the hopes that someday he gets it.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I don't think it will happen that often anymore. It used to be the way of the NFL, but times have changed for the most part.

And, I am not talking about watching for a season. I am fine with that. I don't think he will be ready next year either, if then.

If you are going to wait two years, then you might as well draft a project like Nate Davis.

Yep, times are a changing.

I remember and long for the glory days of '04.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Is there some new magic pressure that goes with being the #3 overall pick as opposed to the #10?

Did Roethlisberger take the field, at any time, breathing a large sigh of relief that he didn't have to bear that enormous top 5 risk?

I'm sure the fanbase would have been very forgiving because, hey, he was just a shitty #10 overall pick, not a "top 5."

Look how shitty that Ryan Simms pick was...

he was a very safe pick...

[DeezNutz]

Shhhh.

QB's are the only risky and expensive selection in the top 5.

Other positions rarely bust and cost FAR less.