Players that outplayed epectations tonight

[BossChief]

1) Charles - can we get the guy the ball more...and on plays other than draws? PLEASE?

2) Glenn Dorsey - Man was a dominating force tonight!

3) DJ - good job man, you held down your gap (with exception of a couple plays) and played solid football.

4) Tyson Jackson - you showed some fire out there and contributed to a run defense that played a damn good game

5) Shaun Smith - we were noticeably better with you on the field as the nose. Keep up the good work.

6) Moeaki - had some nice blocks and if we had a quarterback, he would have had a big game.

7) Arenas - good returns are becoming the norm and his coverage was pretty good most of the time. Kids gonna be good once he gets up to speed on defense.

8) Carr - Great game, nuff said.

9) DMC - I cant wait till we find a way to get this kid on the field consistently. I think his "illness" limited how much they used him tonight, but his speed on the punt return is .2 faster than his timed speed from the combine...maybe faster.

10) The team as a whole - it was nice to see em playing as a team for the first time in a few years. We are noticeably on the right path if we can "fix the quarterback"

[pkane]

On a unrelated side note.... We were not penalized to often tonight.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Richardson was up and down (and when he was down, it was really down), but I didn't notice Albert at all, which means he was probably fine. I don't think we have any issues at LT.

Still too much pressure from the right and in my opinion up the middle.

Richardson is pretty good when he engages the man he is supposed to block, trouble is he doesn't always know who that is.

That's part of the reason he got benched his final year in college in favor of a true freshman iirc. If that isn't fixed by now, it likely wont ever be.

JMO

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

give this shit a rest already.

Richardson is junk IMO and always will be. He doesnt have the mind of a guy that always knows who to block...but Albert didnt have a bad game and is FAR from the worst at his position in the NFL.

They should spend a 3rd-5th on a RT, but nothing higher.

We will need a starter opposite Bowe, another pass rusher, a quarterback and a young nose guard to groom under Romeo before we even think about drafting a OL in the first two rounds again.

What do you mean again? Albert, who played exclusively at guard in college, was our first, first round pick as an offensive lineman since John Tait. Other than that, including Jon Asamoah, the Chiefs, over the last 12 years, have spent a grand total of three draft picks on the offensive line in the first three rounds. And that includes Tait, Albert and Asamoah.

That's not really "again" in my book.

They could really invest in a few solid players at an important position. But maybe that's just me thinking that way.

[BossChief]

Albert - first rounder (hence the term "again" as this is the ONLY OL position that should EVER warrant a first rounder, even a 2nd rounder unless a superb talent falls and we cant pass on him)
Waters - aging vet that likely already has his replacement in house in either Asamoah or Lilja
Weigman - we need to draft a replacement, but no earlier than the third round. I wanted Tennant, but the guys we took there are looking like fine football players at first glance and the pocket was there tonight, Cassels pocket awareness wasnt.
Lilja - see: Waters
Richardson - draft his replacement in the third or later, I have no problems.

IMO we have 3/5 OL filled already with long term replacements and we need to invest, at max, a couple thirds in the next couple drafts on the other 2.

Calling for any more high picks on this line is overkill.

Put a qb behind this line that is even average and this line is just fine.

Just the way I see it.

[mcan]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Believe it or just, they just about did. There were 49 Chiefs plays and he had 12 touches.

Ugh.. That's an ugly, ugly, FUGLY stat. We only had 49 snaps? That's gotta improve. Just curious: how many did san diego have? I was gonna add to my T.O.P. argument by saying that we probably had a similar number of plays going into the last 5 minutes of the game, but since we ran no huddle, and they were mostly taking till -1 sec to snap the ball...

Now I'm thinking I might have been WAY off on my instinctual assumption. Did they hit 65 plays?

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by mcan

Ugh.. That's an ugly, ugly, FUGLY stat. We only had 49 snaps? That's gotta improve. Just curious: how many did san diego have? I was gonna add to my T.O.P. argument by saying that we probably had a similar number of plays going into the last 5 minutes of the game, but since we ran no huddle, and they were mostly taking till -1 sec to snap the ball...

Now I'm thinking I might have been WAY off on my instinctual assumption. Did they hit 65 plays?

SD had 70 total offensive plays to our 49.

[mcan]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

SD had 70 total offensive plays to our 49.

That is just a BRUTAL stat. We have much room for improvement.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by pkane

On a unrelated side note.... We were not penalized to often tonight.

The more important thing was they didn't turn the damn ball over, finally.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Albert - first rounder (hence the term "again" as this is the ONLY OL position that should EVER warrant a first rounder, even a 2nd rounder unless a superb talent falls and we cant pass on him)
Waters - aging vet that likely already has his replacement in house in either Asamoah or Lilja
Weigman - we need to draft a replacement, but no earlier than the third round. I wanted Tennant, but the guys we took there are looking like fine football players at first glance and the pocket was there tonight, Cassels pocket awareness wasnt.
Lilja - see: Waters
Richardson - draft his replacement in the third or later, I have no problems.

IMO we have 3/5 OL filled already with long term replacements and we need to invest, at max, a couple thirds in the next couple drafts on the other 2.

Calling for any more high picks on this line is overkill.

Put a qb behind this line that is even average and this line is just fine.

Just the way I see it.

LT: Albert sucks. Period. He doesn't have the skill set to be able to play left tackle at this level. As such, we need a left tackle. They ain't cheap and usually require absolute luck in getting one cheap in the draft or committing to one in the first round, and usually high in the first round. That's how it is.

LG: Waters is old. We drafted a RG in Asamoah. We signed a RG in Lilja. Still need a LG. Wait a minute...Albert was a LG in college playing next to two legitimate first round left tackles in Fergusson and Monroe. Perhaps Albert could actually slide over and play a position he's more suited for...perhpas.

C: Weigmann is old. Niswanger isn't good. Other than that, we don't have any qualified center on roster. I wanted Tennant as well, and he was there in the fifth. I can only hope that Pioli is smart enough to read this board and check my suggestions/hopes that I recently put up on the Draft Planet. Baxter from Arizona would be nice. (Though I wouldn't have been disappointed if the Chiefs traded down two years ago and selected Alex Mack.)

RG: Completely stocked position. Lilja and Asamoah.

RT: O'Murphy and Richardson. Holy shit.

That's not respectable. That's tragic from a future perspective. Other than RG. Has anyone thought about trying Asamoah out at RT?

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

LT: Albert sucks. Period. He doesn't have the skill set to be able to play left tackle at this level. As such, we need a left tackle. They ain't cheap and usually require absolute luck in getting one cheap in the draft or committing to one in the first round, and usually high in the first round. That's how it is.

LG: Waters is old. We drafted a RG in Asamoah. We signed a RG in Lilja. Still need a LG. Wait a minute...Albert was a LG in college playing next to two legitimate first round left tackles in Fergusson and Monroe. Perhaps Albert could actually slide over and play a position he's more suited for...perhpas.

C: Weigmann is old. Niswanger isn't good. Other than that, we don't have any qualified center on roster. I wanted Tennant as well, and he was there in the fifth. I can only hope that Pioli is smart enough to read this board and check my suggestions/hopes that I recently put up on the Draft Planet. Baxter from Arizona would be nice. (Though I wouldn't have been disappointed if the Chiefs traded down two years ago and selected Alex Mack.)

RG: Completely stocked position. Lilja and Asamoah.

RT: O'Murphy and Richardson. Holy shit.

That's not respectable. That's tragic from a future perspective. Other than RG. Has anyone thought about trying Asamoah out at RT?

Albert played well. He's our LT and unless Ogden comes a long we should not replace him there. A QB would be much better option for the 1st round.

LG, We have Asamoah that will take over once Waters leaves/retires

C, needs to be addressed in the draft because Niswanger is a guard and not a center and Weigmann will likely retire at the end of this year.

RG, Lilja is 28 and still has plenty in the tank...a lot of time to develop a young late round pick.

RT, Richardson played ok...not great, not good but a lot better than previously. He'll be fine here.

[pkane]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The more important thing was they didn't turn the damn ball over, finally.

true

[the Talking Can]

jesus basically everyone


Dorsey was a revelation

[the Talking Can]

and belcher hit some mother ****ers hard


like 'take that you mother****er' hits

[Chiefnj2]

The entire defense, with the exception of Eric Berry, played much better than expected (once Romeo remembered to cover Gates).

I do think they should play more man defense. The zone was letting Rivers move the ball a lot, but I guess Romeo will play his bend but don't break scheme.

The offensive line was good at run blocking, average at pass blocking. Cassel was bad. As far as I could tell from the limited television angles, the receivers weren't getting that much separation, so I'll say they did poorly as a group (with a few drops as wel). Running backs were good, returners were phenomenal.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

5. Shawn Smith
- We all complained about a lack of a quality NT, and decided to overlook/ignore the signing of a guy who was, at one point, considered one of the better nose tackles in the NFL. The guy generated a push up the middle nearly every time he was in holding two blockers in the process. Dorsey and Jackson looked like near studs playing next to a legitimate 3-4 NT.
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Smith filled in credibly at DE when Jackson went out, as well, i thought