Mike Wallace wants more money than Larry Fitzgerald

[RealSNR]

Must I show you the quote from me that at least three regular posters around here have added to their signatures regarding Bowe's play on the field?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by SNR

Must I show you the quote from me that at least three regular posters around here have added to their signatures regarding Bowe's play on the field?

I suppose...

[buddha]

I want more money than Larry Fitz. too. Do I get my own story too?

[mr. tegu]

Regarding Bowe vs Wallace you cannot just look at the numbers. Bowe goes deep, over the middle, and catches the short ones for the tough few yards needed. As others have mentioned Wallace relies on speed and basically just goes deep. Granted that is good, but it is certainly not worth #1 receiver money.

Wallace has played his whole career with Big Ben who has a huge arm and delivers a great deep ball, one of the best in the business. Wallace becomes average with an average with an average QB while Bowe is putting up great numbers with well below average QBs.

Its one of those cases where its hard to project how different players would do in different situations but I am completely confident Bowe is a second tier guy (with Jennings, White, Wayne, VJ I suppose, Welker?) behind Andre, Fitz, and Calvin. I think what prevents him from their calibur is his slightly less speed and a little bit more tendecy to drop some balls. JMO but to be in the top 2 tiers you need to be a more complete package and I just don't see it from Wallace or DJ.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Regarding Bowe vs Wallace you cannot just look at the numbers. Bowe goes deep, over the middle, and catches the short ones for the tough few yards needed. As others have mentioned Wallace relies on speed and basically just goes deep. Granted that is good, but it is certainly not worth #1 receiver money.

Wallace has played his whole career with Big Ben who has a huge arm and delivers a great deep ball, one of the best in the business. Wallace becomes average with an average with an average QB while Bowe is putting up great numbers with well below average QBs.

Its one of those cases where its hard to project how different players would do in different situations but I am completely confident Bowe is a second tier guy (with Jennings, White, Wayne, VJ I suppose, Welker?) behind Andre, Fitz, and Calvin. I think what prevents him from their calibur is his slightly less speed and a little bit more tendecy to drop some balls. JMO but to be in the top 2 tiers you need to be a more complete package and I just don't see it from Wallace or DJ.

Saying that Wallace becomes average with an average QB is kinda ... I dunno, easy since there's no way to know really. Who says his production drops? Who says he can't be more than what they have asked of him?

Who knows if Bowe vaults into greatness status with a better QB?

I think the debate is fun and there are lots of valid points, but for right now... reality says, that the guys we've mentioned - considering their situations are all about equal and are due to be paid on the same level.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Saying that Wallace becomes average with an average QB is kinda ... I dunno, easy since there's no way to know really. Who says his production drops? Who says he can't be more than what they have asked of him?

Who knows if Bowe vaults into greatness status with a better QB?

I think the debate is fun and there are lots of valid points, but for right now... reality says, that the guys we've mentioned - considering their situations are all about equal and are due to be paid on the same level.

Yeah I agree and mentioned something to that effect in the previous post. I don't know that Bowe can vault into greatness as in top tier greatness because of the differences not related to qb play I mentioned between him and the top guys. But I do know he is a second tier guy who I think deserves more money than Wallace, although it will probably be very similar for both of them when they sign a deal. I would just imagine because of style of play Bowe gets more years since he does not rely on speed which is something you never know how long will last in a guy like Wallace.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by rageeumr

What a coincidence, I would also like more money than Larry Fitzgerald.

As do I, sir. As do I.

I don't know what the **** Mike Wallace is thinking. He and his agent should be fired..... From life.

Oh, and it's Fitz, Megatron, Andre J at the elite level. They are big, strong, fast, and do everything well. Then you have the next level of guys that, in my mind, would include Marshall, Bowe, Welker, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Julio Jones, Jennings, VJ and Roddy White. All those guys have some type of weakness, whether it be lack of speed, size, or that extra "it" factor. Then you have the next step down, where I'd put guys like DeSean Jackson, Stevie Johnson, Colston, Nicks, Wallace, Harvin, etc.

Mike Wallace really just needs to be offed for even thinking that he would deserve more than 50% of Fitz's contract.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

As do I, sir. As do I.

I don't know what the **** Mike Wallace is thinking. He and his agent should be fired..... From life.

Oh, and it's Fitz, Megatron, Andre J at the elite level. They are big, strong, fast, and do everything well. Then you have the next level of guys that, in my mind, would include Marshall, Bowe, Welker, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Julio Jones, Jennings, VJ and Roddy White. All those guys have some type of weakness, whether it be lack of speed, size, or that extra "it" factor. Then you have the next step down, where I'd put guys like DeSean Jackson, Stevie Johnson, Colston, Nicks, Wallace, Harvin, etc.

Mike Wallace really just needs to be offed for even thinking that he would deserve more than 50% of Fitz's contract.

I'll let you have Bowe there... but, you can't put a rookie there yet... guys like Cruz - not yet.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I'll let you have Bowe there... but, you can't put a rookie there yet... guys like Cruz - not yet.

Fair enough. All the guys you bolded were borderline. It wasn't so much about stats to me, more about watching them myself and placing my own value on their skills. I think it's obvious that AJ Green and Julio Jones are going to be crazy good. I'll go with you on Victor Cruz too. He only did it for one year, but based on what I see, I think he'll continue to be a great one. And VJ I put in there because of his size and speed combo. You don't see 6'5'' guys at 230 with his speed all that often.

The only one I'd argue with you is Dez Bryant. If you've ever watched him play, that guy is a monster. Based on talent alone I'd put him in that second tier of guys. Plus he has good size. Aside from the fact that apparently he's an idiot thug, he's a great player.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Saying that Wallace becomes average with an average QB is kinda ... I dunno, easy since there's no way to know really. Who says his production drops? Who says he can't be more than what they have asked of him?

Who knows if Bowe vaults into greatness status with a better QB?

I think the debate is fun and there are lots of valid points, but for right now... reality says, that the guys we've mentioned - considering their situations are all about equal and are due to be paid on the same level.

Imagine Wallace with Cassel. You should already have an idea since we have seen Cassel with Moss.