HEY SORTER!! (and SULLY)

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Is there any way you guys can learn us some football?

I respect, admire and am totally green with envy y'all's knowledge of football defenses and offenses and the structuring of the plays and such.

My personal playing experience pinnacle is the sandlot with neighborhood kids where the greatest play ever called was "EVERYBODY GO OUT FOR A PASS!!!!"

I am the epitome of the armchair fan watching a game that has no idea what he is looking at. But I still dig the hell out of it.

I'm too old and creepy to attend a football for girls class, so is there anywhere to get started like a football for dummies path to follow?

The Jets playbook is kind of useless to me at this point. I'm looking for the cue-cards being held a little lower.

You guys could probably organize some seminars and get tons of us mopes here to sign up. I'd like to sit in the front row.

Enlighten us, wise ones, please.

Dinny

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Dinny, did that do anything for you?

I can't speak for dinny, but i really enjoyed it... one guy blowing his coverage by a few steps can give up points.

it really is a game of inches, or a step, etc..

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Dinny, did that do anything for you?

Well I was kind of lost at first with the verbiage. I started getting it by the time you put circles and arrows in the pics. Then the video put it all together for me. Very nicely done, maestro.

Other than that, it gave me a mouse-terous chubby. BRB in about 13.5 seconds.

Dinny

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

I need a cigarette.

Dinny

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

My personal playing experience pinnacle is the sandlot with neighborhood kids where the greatest play ever called was "EVERYBODY GO OUT FOR A PASS!!!!"

The greatest NFL play ever called is 65 Toss Power Trap. Fact.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

I need a cigarette.

Dinny

I'll be sure to get some nice screencaps when Orton throws a pick.

[Direckshun]

This thread has super potential, if Sully and Sorter stay with it.

Pretty epic description of that one play that's torched us in two different Broncos games.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

I have a ton of questions, Sorter. Not because I don't think you know what you're talking about, it's because I don't know what you're talking about.

Some of these questions are on the sub-Blackbobian level of stupidity, so I figure I will be subjected to much ridicule, but I'm willing to risk it. I find this stuff fascinating. I also believe it is very difficult to learn this stuff, or at least takes a great deal of time and determination.

Instead of quoting the whole post, I'll take it in little dumbass sized pieces.

"So, the 1st play of the game was a nice completion to Sanders for 48 yards. The Broncos came out in Detroit personnel (2TE2WR1RB) with a trips to the field."

1. Does the Detroit personnel indicate they are probably going to pass the ball? With only one guy in the backfield, it seems like it. On the other hand, it could mean there are a lot of people out there to block for him. (I will no doubt have dumber questions than this.)

2. What does "with a trips to the field" mean?

Dinny

Edit, I looked again and see an H back there with the RB. Halfback? Why isn't the "H" listed in the description of the Detroit personnel? Maybe I'm more confused than I didn't know I was.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

1. Does the Detroit personnel indicate they are probably going to pass the ball? With only one guy in the backfield, it seems like it. On the other hand, it could mean there are a lot of people out there to block for him. (I will no doubt have dumber questions than this.)

I didnt think these questions were stupid.

For the first one, it varies from team to team. Some teams do things exclusively out of certain personnel groupings and alignments.

[2. What does "with a trips to the field" mean?

To the wide/open side of the field.

[Chiefnj2]

Why is KC's run D struggling?

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

The Chiefs aligned (as they love to early in games) in their "Reduce" front, which is base 3-4 personnel. The front looks like this:



First of all, is there a map key that identifies the symbols and letters? Why is the QB's oval empty? Shouldn't there be a star or VIP thingy in there? Seriously, though, I need some learning up on being able to identify the players' position (DE, OG, which linebacker is what, etc.)

"8 man box defense to be used primarily on 1st and 2nd down vs. all Personnel Groups." - In other words, regardless of whether you're expecting them to run or pass?

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

1. Does the Detroit personnel indicate they are probably going to pass the ball? With only one guy in the backfield, it seems like it. On the other hand, it could mean there are a lot of people out there to block for him. (I will no doubt have dumber questions than this.)

2. What does "with a trips to the field" mean?

Dinny

Personnel tendencies are different team to team. So there's no hard and fast rule.

Trips to the field means three receivers to the wide side of the field. So it'd the ball is on the left hash, there are the receivers to the right.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I didnt think these questions were stupid.

For the first one, it varies from team to team. Some teams do things exclusively out of certain personnel groupings and alignments.




To the wide/open side of the field.

I appreciate your patience. What's even greater than that is your willingness to share your knowledge. There are far to many wise folks hogging wonderful stuff all to themselves.

You are a champ, sir.

Dinny

edit: this goes for you, too, Sully. Didn't see your response before I typed this.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Some of you other dweebs can chime in here with me. It takes me forever to type this stuff. I'm on my laptop using HuntNpeck.

When the going gets tough, the tough take a break. When I come back, I got some real doosies about that second image.

I suggest everyone pos rep the heck out of Sorter and Sully.

Dinny

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

The Chiefs aligned (as they love to early in games) in their "Reduce" front, which is base 3-4 personnel. The front looks like this:



First of all, is there a map key that identifies the symbols and letters? Why is the QB's oval empty? Shouldn't there be a star or VIP thingy in there? Seriously, though, I need some learning up on being able to identify the players' position (DE, OG, which linebacker is what, etc.)

"8 man box defense to be used primarily on 1st and 2nd down vs. all Personnel Groups." - In other words, regardless of whether you're expecting them to run or pass?

The symbols are just personal preference. X and Y are the two eligible receivers on the LoS, and Z is always the first slot. (Y is typically the TE, if there is one). As for the OL, you just kinda know who they are based on where they are. Many times the center's symbol is square instead of circle, as well, while the rest are round. Same thing for the Q. You just kinda know who the Q is based on alignment, although I've seen some coaches actually put the little squiggle to make his oval and actual "Q."
The shading in the circles shows where the DL alignment is.

Understand that the playbook pictures are install pieces. So while it may say "primarily on 1st and 2nd down," that's just for the purpose of the players learning their own call tendencies. Once the first game comes, game planning throws all that out the window, as does personnel groupings and tendencies. 11 personnel (1 RB, 1 TE) might mean one thing for one opponent, and something completely different for another. But during install, you are just, typically, installing vs pro personnel (2 RB, 1 TE), and a few common formations, since you aren't planning for any opponent.

[Sully]

Sorter, you're more of a back 7 guy than I (or, that's my impression).

What do you think "All Zones are "no run" coverages unless tagged" means? No running with the motion?