Which QB is better: Dak Prescott or Lamar Jackson?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

You’re absolutely right.

Making the playoffs is the ultimate illusion. “Anything can happen once the playoffs start”.

Uh huh...

I mean, we know how it ends more often than not, but some teams have been able to get hot and lucky at the right time. Eli Manning won a couple chips, Flacco got one. Rex Grossman, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton have all gotten to the big game in the last 15 years. Tannehill took the Titans to a Championship game, as did Mark Sanchez (twice, if I remember correctly).

You really never know..

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I mean, we know how it ends more often than not, but some teams have been able to get hot and lucky at the right time. Eli Manning won a couple chips, Flacco got one. Rex Grossman, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton have all gotten to the big game in the last 15 years. Tannehill took the Titans to a Championship game, as did Mark Sanchez (twice, if I remember correctly).

You really never know..

Jimmy Grapes, Nick Foles, etc

[mr. tegu]

I generally don’t find Prescott to be anything more than a serviceable QB so it’s surprising to me that I would choose him over Jackson. But Jackson is so limited as a passer that you can’t overlook it. I know people have convinced themselves based on last season he is a good thrower but those are purely star based and don’t pass the eye test at all.

That’s why he was forcing stuff into the middle of the field in our game. It’s all he knows and can comfortably do so whether Andrews is double or triple covered he still just throws it no matter what. He’s incapable of finding something else in the play.

[wazu]

Kind of a tough call. I guess I'd lean Dak just because passing is the main thing I need a QB to be able to do really well. I think with Lamar the thought has been that unlike Dak, we don't really know his ceiling. But he's in Year 3 now. Probably good to just accept at face value that he is who he is.

[ThaVirus]

Hell, we were selling out our stadium for decades with retread QBs. The Browns and Raiders have been in the pits for 20 years now and those fans still show up every Sunday, buying merch and $12 beers and shit.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hell, we were selling out our stadium for decades with retread QBs. The Browns and Raiders have been in the pits for 20 years now and those fans still show up every Sunday, buying merch and $12 beers and shit.

The last 5+ years at the old Coliseum in Oakland wasn't selling out. They had to tarp off the upper deck. No one wants to see crap on the field overtime and that's what the Raiders were. Hell even Chiefs fans didn't like showing up and watching the QB that I can't mention. Vegas will be a different story.

And Paying $12 for a beer is ridiculous. How much do they charge at Chiefs games?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Jimmy Grapes, Nick Foles, etc

Hilariously, I totally blanked on these two, but yep. Perfect examples.

Originally Posted by Eureka

The last 5+ years at the old Coliseum in Oakland wasn't selling out. They had to tarp off the upper deck. No one wants to see crap on the field overtime and that's what the Raiders were. Hell even Chiefs fans didn't like showing up and watching the QB that I can't mention. Vegas will be a different story.

And Paying $12 for a beer is ridiculous. How much do they charge at Chiefs games?

You caught me talking out of my ass lol I wasn't sure if Cleveland or Oakland were actually selling out but the point was that the organizations have still been profitable despite being actual dogshit for the vast majority of the last 20 years.

I know a lot of Browns fans and eeeevery year they've got renewed confidence. "This is the year we finally put it all together!". That douche AutumnWind is here every August talking up the Raiders. I used to do the same shit with Cassel and Alex Smith.

I haven't been to an NFL game since 2012 and never KC so I can't say, but I went to a couple Orlando Magic games back in 2019 and those beers were definitely in the $10-14 range. Bunch of bullshit.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hilariously, I totally blanked on these two, but yep. Perfect examples.



You caught me talking out of my ass lol I wasn't sure if Cleveland or Oakland were actually selling out but the point was that the organizations have still been profitable despite being actual dogshit for the vast majority of the last 20 years.

I know a lot of Browns fans and eeeevery year they've got renewed confidence. "This is the year we finally put it all together!". That douche AutumnWind is here every August talking up the Raiders. I used to do the same shit with Cassel and Alex Smith.

I haven't been to an NFL game since 2012 and never KC so I can't say, but I went to a couple Orlando Magic games back in 2019 and those beers were definitely in the $10-14 range. Bunch of bullshit.

To be fair the Browns have a 1st round QB every couple years to have renewed hope. Thus bringing fans back and making them profitable. To get back on topic I think Cleveland would love to have Dak as a franchise QB. Heck even the Raiders.

Dak would be sought after in free agency by a lot of teams. Lamar as well but he would take a certain coach to cater to his game.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I'm not paying either to be my franchise guy. Of course, that's true for all but a few in the NFL right now.

[TEX]

Dak is better IMO because he can run different types of offenses. Jackson can only run what he's in now. He's very limited on what he can do, but he is very good at what he can do.

[RunKC]

It also explains Andy trading for Alex and sticking with him for so long. There wasn’t jack shit at QB from 2013 through 2016.

None of those QB’s were as good as Alex which said a lot

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It also explains Andy trading for Alex and sticking with him for so long. There wasn’t jack shit at QB from 2013 through 2016.

None of those QB’s were as good as Alex which said a lot

It's true. It's also why it was so infuriating that Chief Fan was screaming for the Chiefs to draft someone, anyone as a first round QB. Andy was waiting until he found a Mahomes.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

It's true. It's also why it was so infuriating that Chief Fan was screaming for the Chiefs to draft someone, anyone as a first round QB. Andy was waiting until he found a Mahomes.

To be fair, I was 10 years old the last time the Chiefs drafted a QB of note.

I'm almost 50.

It's not like we were being totally unreasonable.

[Megatron96]

Who's better right this minute? Dak, no question.

Thing is, Dak has peaked. This is Dak, for better or worse, you're getting exactly what you see here.

Lamar is still at least 50% potential. He could become a better pocket passer. He could learn to read defenses pre- and post-snap. He could learn to manipulate defenses.

Basically outside of his running ability, Lamar is a clean slate, with an enormous amount of potential, and not a lot of downside.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Who's better right this minute? Dak, no question.

Thing is, Dak has peaked. This is Dak, for better or worse, you're getting exactly what you see here.

Lamar is still at least 50% potential. He could become a better pocket passer. He could learn to read defenses pre- and post-snap. He could learn to manipulate defenses.

Basically outside of his running ability, Lamar is a clean slate, with an enormous amount of potential, and not a lot of downside.

He could but it is year 3 and it doesn't look like he has improved any. Lamar is one hit away from being irrelevant.