Nick Bolton wins NFL defensive rookie of the month

[Chris Meck]

sometimes guys are just good football players.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Also, folks bitching about the OBJ trade... Who would you give up, Bolton or Humphries. That trade was fine.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Also, folks bitching about the OBJ trade... Who would you give up, Bolton or Humphries. That trade was fine.

Why would you have had to give up one of those ?

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why would you have had to give up one of those ?

You wouldnt have the second second rounder, but could have had those guys in the first and needed a left tackle i guess.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Also, folks bitching about the OBJ trade... Who would you give up, Bolton or Humphries. That trade was fine.

Obviously Bolton, but your argument doesn't make any sense. Don't have to trade for OBJ to get those 2, could have taken one of them in the first, or possibly the 3rd?

If you're asking if I would be happier with a trash left tackle but a decent MLB, as opposed to a good left tackle but a trash MLB, then you're insane.

And you also made me break my personal rule about not arguing with people who can't even get the name of starters right, go you.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chargem

Obviously Bolton, but your argument doesn't make any sense. Don't have to trade for OBJ to get those 2, could have taken one of them in the first, or possibly the 3rd?

If you're asking If I would be happier with a trash left tackle but a decent MLB, as opposed to a good left tackle but a trash MLB, then you're insane.

And you also made me break my personal rule about not arguing with people who can't even get the name of starters right, go you.

In no way is Orlando Brown a “trash LT”.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by staylor26

In no way is Orlando Brown a “trash LT”.

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Chargem

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

We traded a first round pick for Orlando Brown and Nick Bolton. I think that is worth it easily.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chargem

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

I think he’s better than “average” too.

He has a 74.3 grade on PFF. I know it’s PFF, but you don’t get grades like that being trash or even average.

At worst he’s above average, and if his play this year allows us to get him at a discount, I’m not against re-signing him either.

To give you perspective, Eric Fisher has a 63.1.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chargem

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

Again - the math doesn't check out here.

We gave up a 1st and a 3rd, we got a 2nd and Brown. 2 'players' in, 2 players out.

The players in were Brown and Bolton. The players out is subject to some conjecture but let's give this argument the benefit of the doubt and say its two solid players:

Joe Tryon to address our need at DE and, I dunno, Elijah Molden to backfill for losing Breeland.

So the trade at that point becomes:

Brown, Bolton and about $6 million in cap space (because without Brown we need to bring back Fisher) for Tryon and Molden.

How's this a bad trade again? This version of fisher is WORSE than Brown. By a fair amount. And without Bolten this defense would be fuuuuuuucked even moreso than it already is. Additionally, that $6 million in cap space is almost exactly what it cost to sign Reed and trade for Ingram. Now Reed's disappointed thus far but the book isn't written yet there and at worst he's allowed some rotational depth.

The Chiefs could let Brown walk for a comp pick after this season and not have lost this deal. If they tag him and THEN let him walk for a comp pick, it's a clear win. If they sign him long-term to a reasonable deal and get an above average LT for 5 years, it's a friggen home run.

This deal has essentially zero chance to be a 'bad' trade. It's nothing like the Clark deal (and trust me, I have NO problem calling out Veach for a bad move).

I just cannot understand how people are still upset about this trade.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Chargem

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

Do you even understand the trade? Bolton or Humphrey, or Bolton and Humphrey and no cheap Orlando Brown this year.

Oh, and I broke my rule arguing with an idiot...

[Hammock Parties]

Brown is an elite run blocking LT who is developing as a pass blocker within a new scheme.

You guys need to pump the brakes. JFC.

[Hammock Parties]

Give us the pass blocking grades for the OL bud.

[RunKC]

Bottom line: Bolton, Humphrey and Smith is a ****ing A+ draft. Veach killed this draft

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Bottom line: Bolton, Humphrey and Smith is a ****ing A+ draft. Veach killed this draft

I was told by you that there was no way that Veach could match his 2020 draft…