Shohei Ohtani is a mutant freak.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Baseball lost all credibility when they shunned Bonds and Rocket from the Hall.

Nah. They lost credibility when they made David Ortiz a first ballot HoFer after taking a firm stance on steroid use and the hall, not to mention the handful of other known users currently in the HoF. I have no problem if they want to say Bonds and Clemens arent in because of steroids, but you can't then turn around and say a guy who was popped for steroids the year before a ban was put in place is a first ballot.

[Ocotillo]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Nah. They lost credibility when they made David Ortiz a first ballot HoFer after taking a firm stance on steroid use and the hall, not to mention the handful of other known users currently in the HoF. I have no problem if they want to say Bonds and Clemens arent in because of steroids, but you can't then turn around and say a guy who was popped for steroids the year before a ban was put in place is a first ballot.

Tom Verducci is a steroid hardliner.

Rob Manfred declares Ortiz's 2003 failed test should not be considered a true positive for legal reasons.

Verducci uses Manfred's edict as a justisfication to vote for Ortiz.

There's more to it than this. Ortiz is the face of the 2000s-10s Red Sox, the face of the 2004 comeback, the man who declared this is our ****ing city. The writers liked him and gave him a pass. "The politics of glory" as Bill James once appropriately remarked.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Tom Verducci is a steroid hardliner.

Rob Manfred declares Ortiz's 2003 failed test should not be considered a true positive for legal reasons.

Verducci uses Manfred's edict as a justisfication to vote for Ortiz.

There's more to it than this. Ortiz is the face of the 2000s-10s Red Sox, the face of the 2004 comeback, the man who declared this is our ****ing city. The writers liked him and gave him a pass. "The politics of glory" as Bill James once appropriately remarked.

Exactly. It's all a popularity contest. They have no credibility voting him in. Guess who else has only that 2003 test as evidence of steroid use. Sammy Sosa. Did he get Verducci's vote?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Tom Verducci is a steroid hardliner.

Rob Manfred declares Ortiz's 2003 failed test should not be considered a true positive for legal reasons.

Verducci uses Manfred's edict as a justisfication to vote for Ortiz.

There's more to it than this. Ortiz is the face of the 2000s-10s Red Sox, the face of the 2004 comeback, the man who declared this is our ****ing city. The writers liked him and gave him a pass. "The politics of glory" as Bill James once appropriately remarked.

Bud selig hiring a Red Sox guy to lead up the steroids investigation then to conveniently leave off names from their World Series runs is a stain on the stain.

[Ocotillo]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Baseball lost all credibility when they shunned Bonds and Rocket from the Hall.

Baseball had nothing to do with it. The Baseball Writers Association of America kept them out.

They're not entitled to the Hall of Fame anyway.

They knew what they did was wrong. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

They got to keep their money. They got to keep their records. Keeping them out is a message to other players that cheating has consequences.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Baseball had nothing to do with it. The Baseball Writers Association of America kept them out.

They're not entitled to the Hall of Fame anyway.

They knew what they did was wrong. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

They got to keep their money. They got to keep their records. Keeping them out is a message to other players that cheating has consequences.

I agree with that. And Pete rose and shoeless Joe too. Because throwing games is even worse.

If there’s ever an unconscionable snub it’s curt schilling who is a borderline HOFer but is also probably blackballed for personal beliefs

[Pasta Little Brioni]

As much as they benefited financially from the steroid era and they PUNISH those that participated in it Greedy bastards didn't give that money back to the fans for MLB "ruining integrity of the game"

[BleedingRed]

Yeah while he is AMAZING and everyting..........

People just overlook the gambling.. Sure wish Rose got the same treatment

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Yeah while he is AMAZING and everyting..........

People just overlook the gambling.. Sure wish Rose got the same treatment

Is Ohtani a pedo too?

[Red Dawg]

Impressive. Pitching and hitting is crazy. So far, he's a one in a hundred-year type player.

[KCJake]

Pete Rose

[BWillie]

I would like to apply for the Ohtani interpreter position

[Chief Roundup]

What was the result of his gambling investigation? I thought this player would have been on the investigation list by now.

[Chitownchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

What was the result of his gambling investigation? I thought this player would have been on the investigation list by now.

From what I read his translator /manager was stealing money from him and gambling with it.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan

From what I read his translator /manager was stealing money from him and gambling with it.

Yeah, I don't think Ohtani is in any kind of trouble or is the focus of any investigations. I believe I read that they found that his translator stole from him without his knowledge, so Shohei is in the clear.