Defense attorneys: DNA testing finds no match in Duke lacrosse case

[BIG_DADDY]

What amazes me is how many times these accusations are found to be untrue. Some one was telling me the other day that over 70% of all alleged rapes are lies. Of course I don't have anything to back that up with without doing some research first. The President of Duke should be fired over this. It's scary what women can get by with now. When one whores word carries more weight than an entire house full of College students we are way over the line IMO.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.


No charges have been filed in the case.

"No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said defense attorney Wade Smith.

The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.

Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested.

District Attorney Mike Nifong stopped speaking with reporters last week after initially talking openly about the case, including stating publicly that he was confident a crime occurred. He went on to say he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.

Smith said Nifong now has the evidence needed to change his mind.

"He doesn't have to do it," Smith said of filing charges. "He is a man with discretion. He doesn't have to do it, and we hope that he won't."

Nifong's assistant said earlier Monday the prosecutor would not comment on the findings. North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains, said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes.

"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said.

Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.

"The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that -- and that's not here," Cheshire said.

Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case -- but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder.

"Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do."

Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew.

"I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.

[munkey]

This to me is really scary....

Is this going to be a he said/she said? I thought you needed some kind of proof...

espn

[Mr. Laz]

i don't see how there can possibly be a case without DNA evidence


so you're saying that during this wild stripper party all these "sport thugs" stopped and turned all CSI and made sure while raping and beating this girl that zero DNA evidence was there?!?

dang near impossible to have NO DNA evidence even in clean enviroment ... but at a "frat party".......... 1 in a billion shot.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I want some of the drugs your on. OK, I can't believe I actually have to say this. It's not about whether an lawyer will lie or not it's about what's in it for him. Lying about the results of the DNA evidence would just be stupid and probably get him fired. It serves no purpose.

Hey, it happens. Look at the Kobe case... the defense said they found evidence of another guy's stuff in there with Kobe's, and the DA said it wasn't true. Then there were arguments that the DA was holding back evidence, and then arguments that the defense's DNA had been tainted or something. Two sides with totally different DNA results. Somebody was stretching the truth somewhere.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Hey, it happens. Look at the Kobe case... the defense said they found evidence of another guy's stuff in there with Kobe's, and the DA said it wasn't true. Then there were arguments that the DA was holding back evidence, and then arguments that the defense's DNA had been tainted or something. Two sides with totally different DNA results. Somebody was stretching the truth somewhere.

Oh yea you mean the prosecutions desperate last minute attempt to say the other mans seamen in her panies could have come from a lab tech and not from her. Talk about reaching.

These are the kind of things that bother me. In this country we tend to always presume guilt when woman when she says she was raped irrgardless of the likelyhood or their backgrounds. We don't do this with other crimes nearly as much. Even the legal consultant Mickey Sherman for CBS news said "And the public has, I think, shifted. I think everybody, all of us thought these kids must be guilty. But now, with the shift, the DNA, this picture, and everything else, I think the sentiment in the local community as well has probably shifted for the players."

Why would we think they must have done it? 30 + college students with most likely awesome backgrounds all telling the same story and stripper that rips off clients cars and tries to run down people. I have already posted many links that show that most rape allegations are faulse. There are also many incentives for her to say it happened. You think the media will ever report that? Hell the fallout from this was so bad the real victims in this case had to move out of the house because of the massive protest outside before any of the facts had even come in. The season was ended and the coach had to resign before any of the facts came in which is a huge presumption of guilt. Her name was protected and continues to be even though their names were released.

I just think we have become WAY too PC when dealing with this subject. It just gets to a point where it's beyond ridiculous.

I still believe the president of Duke should be fired for his knee jerk reaction to this situation. He believed and reacted to what one stripper with a criminal record said over all 36 of his own students and didn't even wait for the facts to come out.

[munkey]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Her name was protected and continues to be even though their names were released.

That's what I'm having a problem with...I think if they release her picture and name you'll see the case blow up in their face.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by munkey

That's what I'm having a problem with...I think if they release her picture and name you'll see the case blow up in their face.

That wouldn't be PC though. The DA is using this case just to get exposure for himself as well. He has no interest in seeing justice done. He doesn't have a prayer without DNA evidence in that situation.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I just think we have become WAY too PC when dealing with this subject. It just gets to a point where it's beyond ridiculous.

I still believe the president of Duke should be fired for his knee jerk reaction to this situation. He believed and reacted to what one stripper with a criminal record said over all 36 of his own students and didn't even wait for the facts to come out.

How crappy it is for the team now. Their coach gets fired and they lose the rest of their season. Not to mention all the bad media attention they're getting. At this point, it appears they are the victims here. Did the DA even bother to look into this girl's background?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Lzen

How crappy it is for the team now. Their coach gets fired and they lose the rest of their season. Not to mention all the bad media attention they're getting. At this point, it appears they are the victims here. Did the DA even bother to look into this girl's background?

He doesn't care about her background, this is his one and only chance at the big time. The more the media reports this the more his name is out there. I am sure there are good DA's but most of them could care less about justice. Kobe Bryants DA cost the tax payers 400k pursuing that worthless case. This appears to be 10 times more worthless than that one.

This is an interesting page on the Katelyn Faber Kobe's accuser.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...&ct=image&cd=3

[alanm]

What a really skewed perception you have of that case. I am surprised to hear that coming from you. IMO Males in this country deserve what they get when it comes to being victims of women claiming rape. We have set the table for them and believe them not matter what the facts are. Alan's example right here says it all.

BD, I guess you misunderstood my comment. They were both equally complicite. The fact that they attacked her credibility was their only course of action. Because that's the way it is in todays society. Men are always presumed guilty until proved innocent. Kobe nonwithstanding.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by alanm

BD, I guess you misunderstood my comment. They were both equally complicite. The fact that they attacked her credibility was their only course of action. Because that's the way it is in todays society. Men are always presumed guilty until proved innocent. Kobe nonwithstanding.

In both these cases there were series credibility issues too. In Kobe's case some of it didn't even make it out until the case was over. THe other mans cum in her panties was the damning part. How stupid do you have to be to go **** another guy after setting someone up on a rape charge? I noticed they have her medical history out now too which is very damning.

Drug Overdose 30-May-2003
Suicide Attempt 30-May-2003
Raped (by Kobe Bryant 30-Jun-2003, according to her, lawsuit settled)
Suicide Attempt 2004
Risk Factors: Marijuana, Cocaine, Smoking, Bipolar Disorder

[luv]

I watched a show on TLC once that was about people who were supposed to be twins, but weren't. Some of them have two different types of DNA. They showcased a few mothers. One had to go to court and risked losing her children because her DNA didn't match theirs. The court tested both her and her last baby right after they witnessed her giving birth to him. They came out different. After doing several tests, they found out that certain parts of her (like hair samples, swabs of saliva, etc) have one type of DNA, while other parts (like tissue, organs, etc) had a different DNA.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

https://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...ressler-nifong

[Chazno]

Man, went from trying to ruin guys lives to literally killing them.

[jjjayb]

But remember, we're supposed to #believeallwomen. Cause women never lie.

[RunKC]

Throw that stupid bitch in prison. There needs to be massive consequences for this