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Old 12-12-2006, 02:48 AM  
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All I really desire is freedom FROM religion. - No offense has been intended
I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians.

I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from?

So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well.

This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:43 AM   #61
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I don't think you hate people who are religious as much as you love pissing them off by putting their religious beliefs down and ridiculing them for having faith in such things.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:47 AM   #62
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How about a "no solicitation" notice on your door?

Are you equally crabby when salesman, girl scouts, a census worker, or a roofer.....come to your door?
Yes.

I don't go around bugging people in their homes to push my services. the grocery store doesn't show up at my house trying to sell me cereal. The car dealership doesn't drive to my house to sell me a car. If I want it, we have a vast network of methods for me to find it.

At least with roofers I waste their time by making them write up an estimate before I tell them I'm a roofer too.

Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:50 AM   #63
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Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.
They are selling a product as well. It's all about the dollar signs. The difference is when you pay for this one, you don't get squat.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:51 AM   #64
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I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:51 AM   #65
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Yes.

I don't go around bugging people in their homes to push my services. the grocery store doesn't show up at my house trying to sell me cereal. The car dealership doesn't drive to my house to sell me a car. If I want it, we have a vast network of methods for me to find it.

At least with roofers I waste their time by making them write up an estimate before I tell them I'm a roofer too.

Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.
I couldn't agree more.

Do NOT fuck WITH ME at my house. That is my haven from the world and I will react poorly to any violation of that. I don't bother other people - they shouldn't bother me.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:52 AM   #66
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Yes.

I don't go around bugging people in their homes to push my services. the grocery store doesn't show up at my house trying to sell me cereal. The car dealership doesn't drive to my house to sell me a car. If I want it, we have a vast network of methods for me to find it.

At least with roofers I waste their time by making them write up an estimate before I tell them I'm a roofer too.

Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.
Well, you are certainly free to feel that way. Though, many psychologists would love to delve into the issues behind this whole attitude.

I'm no psychologist though, so I'll just leave you to your insolence. It's a free country.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:54 AM   #67
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I don't think you hate people who are religious as much as you love pissing them off by putting their religious beliefs down and ridiculing them for having faith in such things.
Right or wrong, that has been my impression as well.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:55 AM   #68
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Well, you are certainly free to feel that way. Though, many psychologists would love to delve into the issues behind this whole attitude.

I'm no psychologist though, so I'll just leave you to your insolence. It's a free country.
What is so wrong with not wanting people bothering you when you are at home?

It's the same as disliking telemarketers, or even spam email.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:59 AM   #69
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Some of us learned early and have come to understand wht it means in our lives.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:03 AM   #70
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Ask any nurse who deals with people who are terminally Ill and you will find that most people become very interested in God as they near the time for them to need to know.

Some of us learned early and have come to understand wht it means in our lives.
Most people understand the theory of 'covering all your bases', just in case.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:03 AM   #71
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Being a Calvinist, I'm also a very "Reformer-minded" protestant (heck, even "worse" I'm a Baptist), so I'm not very big on the Catholic Church as a whole either, though I do have some Catholic friends... That aside, I agree that religion has been used to do great harm, but it has also been used to do great good...one recent example ties in with the Southern Baptist, of which I am a part (in some eyes, I think I just keep digging a bigger hole...)--the convention is the 3rd largest disaster relief organization in the US and mobilizes to provide food, shelter, and aid when events like the tsunami and hurricanes happen... this is something that is difficult to do when you don't have organization...



I gave a simple view of what I believe in that regards in the short "calvinist" post to another user... I'll just leave it at that...
I always tell my Calvanist baptist friends that I tried to believe and trust but god told me I wasn't elected so go ahead and enjoy the time you have.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:07 AM   #72
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Well, you are certainly free to feel that way. Though, many psychologists would love to delve into the issues behind this whole attitude.

I'm no psychologist though, so I'll just leave you to your insolence. It's a free country.
If I have issues it's simply that I don't consider every idiot on the street my buddy. A stranger is not welcome to come to my house and try and change my beliefs or sell me carpet cleaning. Hell, a friend is even an imposition when playing that role.


Wanting my privacy doesn't make me insolent. Some clown ringing my doorbell will though.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:08 AM   #73
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:09 AM   #74
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Ask any nurse who deals with people who are terminally Ill and you will find that most people become very interested in God as they near the time for them to need to know.

Some of us learned early and have come to understand wht it means in our lives.
How noble. When their ass is in a sling they start trying to cover it.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:11 AM   #75
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Yup. My Purpose-Driven church does not go door to door- at all. No pressure- at all. They tell visitors not to feel obligated to give. They don't even pass an offering basket. There's boxes on the way out if you choose to give as a church member.

In 1999 there were 500 members. Now there are over 5,000, and they're spinning off satellite churches with the same idealogy.

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Personally, I'm most geared towards relational evangelism--just simply "be" a Christian and try to become friends with non-Christians, and then share the Gospel in life, deed, and word... But I'm weary about altogether throwing out the door-to-door/street stuff. I've seen a church or two where the attitude is basically: "If you ain't aknockin', then you're asinnin'..." and that's overboard, but I don't think we should go to the other extreme of doing none either...

It largerly depends upon the cultural context as well. I have a good friend who has done some mission trips to evangelize muslims in England. He said a lot of them, especially the more "religious" ones won't even give you the time of day unless you get up in their face and are confrontive--then they'll actually listen...

Also, here in Louisville we have a street named "Bardstown"--it's basically a mecca for post-moderns, occults, and drunks (or any combination of the three--really interesting street). I developed a little five minute religion survey I use there--in part to collect data, in part to try to get a conversation started. I've found that the vast majority are willing to take the survey--some take it and move on, most start asking me questions--I love it. One girl (who doesn't go to church) told me and a friend of mine that one thing that bothered her about Chrisitanity was that there weren't more people out doing what we were doing and showing that we cared about people like her... And I've yet to have anyone respond in a negative or an "f-off" type of way...

I'm all about the relational model, but I think we can sometimes miss some good opportunities if we chuck door-to-door/street evangelism...
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