Tournament: Worst Draft Choice of Peterson Era - Page 5

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-13-2006, 09:42 AM

With the usual hate towards King Carl, especially this time of year with our hopes dashed once again, I thought we could take some time the rest of this month to make it official:

Who is the worst draft pick in the Carl Peterson era?

CP has been responsible for 18 years of Chiefs drafts. (1989-2006) To do it right, and vote for each year first, then have a playoff, would take forever. So in the interest of saving time, I've gone ahead and made a list of the worst draft pick each year. This thread will be the place to make an argument for a different player. Draft history can be found at:

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/chiefs.html

Once it looks like we've come to an agreement on the representatives for each year, the voting will begin. Each day, I'll post a poll with two years facing off against each other. The winner moves on to the next round, bracket style. The matchups will be as follows:

1989 v 2006

1990 v 2005

1991 v 2004

1992 v 2003

1993 v 2002

1994 v 2001

1995 v 2000

1996 v 1999

1997 v 1998

Here are (for now) the finalists:

1989 - Mike Elkins QB R2
1990 - Fred Jones WR R4
1991 - Harvey Williams RB R1
1992 - Matt Blundin QB R2
1993 - Lindsay Knapp OG R5
1994 - Bracey Walker DB R4
1995 - Trezelle Jenkins OT R1
1996 - Dietrich Jells WR R6
1997 - Pat Barnes QB R4
1998 - Rashaan Shehee RB R3
1999 - Mike Cloud RB R2
2000 - Sylvester Morris WR R1
2001 - Eric Downing DT R3
2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1
2003 - Julian Battle DB R3
2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2
2005 - Craphonso Throrpe WR R4
2006 - Marcus Maxey DB R5

**Gonzo** · 12-13-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

When did 3rd round become a "latter" round?

And who the hell drafted Moon?

I never said he was drafted, although he should've been.

**ShortRoundChief** · 12-13-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

Well, to be honest, it isn't fair to just pick a player. Also, anyone picked in round 5 or later, shouldn't be allowed. Their chances of making the team aren't strong to begin with.

But, you have to make an honest assessment with each pick. For instance, Ryan Sims is everyone's favorite bashing toy right now. We moved up a spot to get him in the first round. We badly needed a Defensive Lineman that year, and we literally "stole" him away from Minnesota who took too long to make their pick. This doesn't look good.

BUT- you also have to consider who, of the defensive linemen ONLY, were taken after him. Is there another defensive linemen taken AFTER Sims from that draft year that is playing/performing better than Sims? If NOT, then you can blame the pick. Saying something like, Well Tom Brady was available in the 6th round that year...Well, here's something for you Sherlock- then that means that EVERY fuggen team *****ed up, not just the Chiefs.

It is not fair to say we missed players who turned out to be Pro Bowlers later when our needs that draft year didn't include those players. You have to be fair in your judgment here and if there was a defensive lineman taken after Sims that is performing well, then that only confirms the pick was a horrible choice.

I'm sorry, but I hate these stoopid "Who we shoud've drafted" threads, 'cause the fact of the matter is- every team is at fault for not picking up players they thought they should have drafted.

Think about every team in the NFL this past draft that drafted a WR and how all of them passed up on Marques Colston who is outshining every single WR taken above him. You don't think all of those team owners are shaking their heads in disbelief now and are considering firing their scouts, if they haven't already.

If you're going to go back and say Matt Blundin was a stinky draft choice, then you must be fair to yourself and first ask: Did we need to draft a QB that year, and if we did- then did any QB drafted AFTER him have any success as a starter. If so, then Blundin was a bad pick, if not, then Blundin's pick is irrelevant.

Um minnesota almost stole him from us. It was dallas pick we traded up for and they took too long and time ran out. Minnesota was trying to get theirs in before we got ours in.

**dirk digler** · 12-13-2006, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'll second the Trezelle Jenkins nomination.

Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, and Junior Siavii are all running neck-in-neck for second.

Hell, I'll even throw in a Matt Blundin. One of the first of a long list of spectacular second round flame outs for King Carl.

Yep that is how I would rank them

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-13-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

He'll probably die in his sleep due to clogged arterey, and you'd feel cheated, again.

That's probably why I'll have to be proactive and inject a huge syringe full of air into a vein while he sleeps. Of course, it's hard to die of an aerial embolism when you don't have a heart.

Dr. Van Halen · 12-13-2006, 01:09 PM

Hello, it's my job here at Chiefs Planet to remind everyone that the draft is a complete crap shoot. Peterson has been every bit as awful as everyone else at the draft. A study last year showed that in the previous ten years, the Chiefs ranked very average in drafting (based on number of players still in league), although they came out top in the division.

By the way, kudos to those who correctly recognized that while Sims may have been the worst/most disappointing player every drafted, he was not the worst draft pick ever. Sims was rated as the number one DT in the draft by almost everyone. Picking him seemed like an excellent idea at the time.

By the way, anyone who suggests that a player is a bad draft pick because they were later injured is nutty.

milkman · 12-13-2006, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

I never said he was drafted, although he should've been.

My point is that every team passed him over.
You make it sound as though Carl(sic) was the only idiot to take a pass.

Second, is that Moon wasn't drafted in the same year as Blackledge, and niether was he signed by the Oilers in the same year as Blackledge was drafted.

It was stupid ****ing post.

CoMoChief · 12-13-2006, 01:24 PM

I dont see how Carl's best draft pick tourney doesnt have Shields and DT in the finals. DT winning of course.

**HemiEd** · 12-13-2006, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

Yeah, but of all the teams that passed on Montana, the Chiefs were one of a select few that passed on him to take a different QB. In the 1st round. That makes the Chiefs blunder much worse IMO, since most of teams that passed on him didn't need a QB at the time.

Which QB did we take instead of Montana?

Brock · 12-13-2006, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Which QB did we take instead of Montana?

Steve Fuller.

Dammit Carl.

**HemiEd** · 12-13-2006, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Steve Fuller.

Dammit Carl.

Bad memories are easily forgotten.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-13-2006, 02:58 PM

Just got home from taking a final exam and I gotta say this has been fun to catch back up on......

I'm in agreement that I probably should have only listed the guys that were 1st or 2nd rounders. Not fair to have a 5th rounder on there.

Glad to see some spirited debate on the Sims - Siavii issue.

Barring any other suggestions, I'll start the poll tomorrow. Round One matchups:

89 Elkins vs. 04 Siavii

92 Blundin vs. 00 Morris

91 Williams vs. 02 Sims

95 Jenkins vs. 99 Cloud

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-13-2006, 06:25 PM

Bump for night crew....

Thig Lyfe · 12-13-2006, 06:36 PM

SIMS.
That is all.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-13-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I dont see how Carl's best draft pick tourney doesnt have Shields and DT in the finals. DT winning of course.

Just to be devil's advocate, Shields was a 3rd rounder and still played at a HOF level almost his entire career. In terms of value, that's hard to beat.

PinkFloyd · 12-13-2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrum_69

Correct me if I am wrong...but didnt we pass up on Joe Montana as a draft pick??

And Dan Marino and John Elway

12-13-2006, 09:42 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2071115	Tournament: Worst Draft Choice of Peterson Era With the usual hate towards King Carl, especially this time of year with our hopes dashed once again, I thought we could take some time the rest of this month to make it official: Who is the worst draft pick in the Carl Peterson era? CP has been responsible for 18 years of Chiefs drafts. (1989-2006) To do it right, and vote for each year first, then have a playoff, would take forever. So in the interest of saving time, I've gone ahead and made a list of the worst draft pick each year. This thread will be the place to make an argument for a different player. Draft history can be found at: http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/chiefs.html Once it looks like we've come to an agreement on the representatives for each year, the voting will begin. Each day, I'll post a poll with two years facing off against each other. The winner moves on to the next round, bracket style. The matchups will be as follows: 1989 v 2006 1990 v 2005 1991 v 2004 1992 v 2003 1993 v 2002 1994 v 2001 1995 v 2000 1996 v 1999 1997 v 1998 Here are (for now) the finalists: 1989 - Mike Elkins QB R2 1990 - Fred Jones WR R4 1991 - Harvey Williams RB R1 1992 - Matt Blundin QB R2 1993 - Lindsay Knapp OG R5 1994 - Bracey Walker DB R4 1995 - Trezelle Jenkins OT R1 1996 - Dietrich Jells WR R6 1997 - Pat Barnes QB R4 1998 - Rashaan Shehee RB R3 1999 - Mike Cloud RB R2 2000 - Sylvester Morris WR R1 2001 - Eric Downing DT R3 2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1 2003 - Julian Battle DB R3 2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2 2005 - Craphonso Throrpe WR R4 2006 - Marcus Maxey DB R5
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12-13-2006, 01:09 PM	#65
Dr. Van Halen Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Missoula, MT Casino cash: $10005005	Hello, it's my job here at Chiefs Planet to remind everyone that the draft is a complete crap shoot. Peterson has been every bit as awful as everyone else at the draft. A study last year showed that in the previous ten years, the Chiefs ranked very average in drafting (based on number of players still in league), although they came out top in the division. By the way, kudos to those who correctly recognized that while Sims may have been the worst/most disappointing player every drafted, he was not the worst draft pick ever. Sims was rated as the number one DT in the draft by almost everyone. Picking him seemed like an excellent idea at the time. By the way, anyone who suggests that a player is a bad draft pick because they were later injured is nutty.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	I dont see how Carl's best draft pick tourney doesnt have Shields and DT in the finals. DT winning of course.
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12-13-2006, 02:58 PM	#71
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2071115	Just got home from taking a final exam and I gotta say this has been fun to catch back up on...... I'm in agreement that I probably should have only listed the guys that were 1st or 2nd rounders. Not fair to have a 5th rounder on there. Glad to see some spirited debate on the Sims - Siavii issue. Barring any other suggestions, I'll start the poll tomorrow. Round One matchups: 89 Elkins vs. 04 Siavii 92 Blundin vs. 00 Morris 91 Williams vs. 02 Sims 95 Jenkins vs. 99 Cloud
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