GRETZ: The Conservative Approach

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GRETZ: The Conservative Approach

Nov 21, 2007, 1:04:17 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ


It was so predictable.

In the moments after the Chiefs loss at Indianapolis, the drumbeat started.

The Chiefs had been too conservative on offense. They had hamstrung Brodie Croyle in his first NFL start. They had not let the kid fling the ball around the yard.

And that’s why the Chiefs lost. This mantra started in the press box and then some of the boys in the locker room joined in, supposedly giving this point of view credibility.

Let me put it this way: one of the key reasons the Chiefs were a factor in the game was because they pulled in the offensive horns in for Croyle’s first start.

It’s the same thing that happened early in the 2006 season, when the Chiefs went to Denver and Damon Huard was making his first start, after Trent Green was injured. Everyone wrote the Chiefs off that day, but they went in, played great defense and kept a tight reign on the offense in a loud and hostile stadium.

The Chiefs went to overtime that day before losing. Against Indy, they went down to the final seconds before falling to a Colts field goal.

There were two situations that seem to have caused the most bellyaching amongst the second guessers. The first came late in the first half. The Chiefs got the ball at their own 23-yard line with one minute, 18 seconds to play and all three of their timeouts. They ran two running plays and went to the locker room tied 3-3.

Why not take a shot down the field? Why not go for it?

Because on the last offensive play before that possession, Croyle had been smacked by Robert Mathis of the Colts, fumbled and Indianapolis recovered the ball. That eventually provided them the opportunity to kick the field goal that tied the game. Plus, the Colts had a pair of timeouts remaining and they were going to get the ball to start the second half. Throw three passes, run no time off the clock and give Peyton Manning another chance before the half? That’s crazy talk.

Second situation came in the fourth quarter, with 7:41 to play and the Chiefs with a 3rd down-and-18 to go play. The Chiefs ran Kolby Smith and he gained two yards. They punted the ball away to the Colts.

Why not go for it? Let me count the ways. First, on the second down play, that leaky pass protection had again allowed a sack of Croyle. Two, 3rd-and-18 gets converted about eight percent of the time. Don’t believe me? This past weekend in the NFL, there were 37 third down plays where the distance to a first down was 15 yards or more. They ranged from 3rd-and-15 to 3rd-and-25.

Of those 37 plays, three were converted for first downs. That’s 8 percent.

The call on those plays was 29 passing/8 runs. The running plays averaged 7.1 yards per play. The passing plays (attempts plus sacks) averaged 4.4 yards per play.

No, the smart move is you punt the ball away and try to influence field position.

Why would anyone have expected the game plan to be anything but conservative? A young quarterback’s first start, on the road, in a loud hostile stadium, against a good defense and a team with an explosive offense, that’s the recipe for an offensive plan that leans towards the conservative.

Think of it this way: you send a child out on Halloween night for his first experience in trick or treating. He comes home with a bag full of candy. The child is allowed to sit down and eat as much candy as he can stuff in his mouth. Child gets very sick.

The Chiefs coaches were not going to give Croyle the whole bag of goodies. They are going to parcel them out and the young man gets his feet under him and his wits about him.

Understand that the idea is to give Croyle a chance to play. Put in a game plan that is aggressive and full of throwing the football means that Croyle will play for awhile. But with the poor pass protection provided by the current offensive line, that type of plan would eventually end with Croyle being carried off the field, and not in celebration.

Already, just one game into the Brodie Croyle Era and the fans, media and some of his offensive teammates are already grumbling.

Patience people. Patience.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by FAX

Interesting, Mr. GoChiefs. Teicher (sp?) voiced the exact opposite opinion in his radio interview yesterday. He said that Solari is definitely constrained by Herm. He underlined this point by saying that Saunders would fare no better under Herm.

Teicher says a lot of stuff. He's always pretty anti-Chiefs.

People gave Vermeil a free pass when Robinson was here, and pretty much thought Robinson was the big problem with the defense. For all purposes, Herm appears to know as much about offense as Dick did about defense. I think Herm deserves the same chance Vermeil got with his coordinators.

Unless, of course, Herm shows the same reeruned vote of confidence in Solari that Dick did in Robinson.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by GOATSE

Teicher says a lot of stuff. He's always pretty anti-Chiefs.

People gave Vermeil a free pass when Robinson was here, and pretty much thought Robinson was the big problem with the defense. For all purposes, Herm appears to know as much about offense as Dick did about defense. I think Herm deserves the same chance Vermeil got with his coordinators.

Unless, of course, Herm shows the same reeruned vote of confidence in Solari that Dick did in Robinson.

Teicher is a dumb ass. He is the same guy who one week said we need to start Croyle and the next week said it was a bad move cause we were starting Croyle.

He knows dick about football.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by GOATSE

Teicher says a lot of stuff. He's always pretty anti-Chiefs.

People gave Vermeil a free pass when Robinson was here, and pretty much thought Robinson was the big problem with the defense. For all purposes, Herm appears to know as much about offense as Dick did about defense. I think Herm deserves the same chance Vermeil got with his coordinators.

Unless, of course, Herm shows the same reeruned vote of confidence in Solari that Dick did in Robinson.

Teicher (sp?) may well be "anti-Chiefs" (you would know better than I), but he appears both knowledgeable and frank, to me.

I agree with what you're saying about Herms coordinators, though. Any coach deserves to make improvements in the coaching staff wherever he sees fit. Personally, I think this is more of a "philosophy" issue than and "xs and os" issue, however. You can hire the most intelligent and innovative OC of all times, but if the HC's philosophy is to let your defense win the games, you're wasting time and talent in that position.

FAX

[FAX]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Teicher is a dumb ass. He is the same guy who one week said we need to start Croyle and the next week said it was a bad move cause we were starting Croyle.

He knows dick about football.

He echoed my feelings yesterday, Mr. petegz28.

So, I like him.

FAX

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Teicher is a dumb ass. He is the same guy who one week said we need to start Croyle and the next week said it was a bad move cause we were starting Croyle.

He knows dick about football.

What do you expect? The guy probably hasn't ever played a down of football.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by GOATSE

Teicher says a lot of stuff. He's always pretty anti-Chiefs.

not even ...... he's the guy that fully supported the company line when the chiefs put Bennett at running back and sign Tony Richardson for to a starting RB.

unless he's changed lately he's pretty much always been a company man.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

What do you expect? The guy probably hasn't ever played a down of football.

So? You don't have to of had to play football to be knowledgable.


I mean griping one day that we need to start Croyle then griping one week later when people do what you said needed to be done really takes your credibility down several hundred notches.

Teicher is a drama queen.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So? You don't have to of had to play football to be knowledgable.


I mean griping one day that we need to start Croyle then griping one week later when people do what you said needed to be done really takes your credibility down several hundred notches.

Teicher is a drama queen.

I respect your views on the guy, Mr. petegz28. I am not at all familiar with Teicher (sp?) and his past articles or remarks and not to drag out the point, but he said yesterday that his gripe was with the "timing" associated with Croyle's start. He thought they should have started him sooner.

FAX

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So? You don't have to of had to play football to be knowledgable.

To common onlooker, one will generalize certain plays without diagnosing/recognizing routes/quick reads ect... I use to play QB, and thus I know what to look for in that aspect.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by FAX

I respect your views on the guy, Mr. petegz28. I am not at all familiar with Teicher (sp?) and his past articles or remarks and not to drag out the point, but he said yesterday that his gripe was with the "timing" associated with Croyle's start. He thought they should have started him sooner.

FAX

Yes he did say that. Then he said we are hurting Croyle by starting him now.


So as I said we did what he said he thought we should do one week after he said it and he griped cause we did it.