Draft Analysis: Croyle Undisputed #1 QB?

[KCJohnny]

So does this mean Croyle is Herm's guy?
After all the speculation and coveting of Brohm and Ryan and others, KC did not draft a QB (through the 6th rd).

What do you think? From my foxhole, it looks like Herm/Gailey are willing to go into 2008 with Croyle at #1 on the depth chart.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

If i remember correctly, wasnt it Grbacs decision to leave? Thats what forced DV to go out and get Green??

Yep. He was due a gigantic roster bonus and wouldn't renegotiate, chose to leave so he could play (and flop) with a recent SB squad.

Not to let reality get in the way of great fantasies like the Chiefs offense being good at any point before 2002, Grbac even being in Green's area code as a QB, team leader and ambassador of the franchise, or it being a mistake to bring in Priest Holmes because we had a great runningback already in Tony Richardson.

But I digress. If he doesn't 'get it' by now, he never will.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The 2000 Chiefs had the NFL's 5th best passing attack. We didn't need "that" offense. DV elected to retool the already productive O at the expense of the declining D.

It was all about the vanity of trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice. Grbac earned and deserved the #1 QB spot on the Chiefs. The whole Ramifization experiment was a failure and was totally unneccesary in my view.

Back to Croyle, he is in the best of all possible scenarios: a young team, a new OC, an offense that can only get better.

LOL, Grbac earned nothing. His own teammates hated him. HATED him.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Brock

LOL, Grbac earned nothing. His own teammates hated him. HATED him.

But he had A BEARD!!!

A BEARD, goddamnit.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Yep. He was due a gigantic roster bonus and wouldn't renegotiate, chose to leave so he could play (and flop) with a recent SB squad.

Not to let reality get in the way of great fantasies like the Chiefs offense being good at any point before 2002, Grbac even being in Green's area code as a QB, team leader and ambassador of the franchise, or it being a mistake to bring in Priest Holmes because we had a great runningback already in Tony Richardson.

But I digress. If he doesn't 'get it' by now, he never will.

You're changing the subject. The Chiefs did not need to retool the NFL's 8th ranked offense or 5th ranked passing attack, certainly not at the expense of a D in freefall decline. That was all something Vermiel brought with him down I-70 from some other Missouri NFL squad. We all know how successful that was.

On the issue of Grbac, Wikipedia suggests it was Baltimore that cut him over contract disputes, not KC.

Grbac also played for the Baltimore Ravens before unexpectedly retiring in 2001 when the Ravens cut him in a salary cap move after he refused to renegotiate his contract. Grbac retired because he did not want to uproot his family again to move to another city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Grbac

I really did not want to discuss this yet again. I was hoping to discuss Croyle as a winner in this year's draft.

[Don417]

Good ole pos Grbac. You know, he couldn't throw it and catch it at the same time.
On the suck scale, Grbac-kup was right down there with Bono. I'd take DeBerg over two Grbac's any day of the week.

But I have a question as it relates to Croyle. Are you people actively rooting for him to fail?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I was hoping to discuss Croyle as a winner in this year's draft.

I don't know how it makes Croyle a "winner".

Because they didn't trade up to take Ryan?

Because they choose Flowers over two other QB projects in Henne & Brohm?

Brodie Croyle's on notice, regardless of who the Chiefs did or didn't draft.

If the guy continues to be injury prone and make bad decisions, nothing will stop the Chiefs from either drafting or signing a free agent QB to begin the 2009 season.

The organization isn't going to wait forever for Croyle to "get it".

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't know how it makes Croyle a "winner".

Because they didn't trade up to take Ryan?

Because they choose Flowers over two other QB projects in Henne & Brohm?

Brodie Croyle's on notice, regardless of who the Chiefs did or didn't draft.

If the guy continues to be injury prone and make bad decisions, nothing will stop the Chiefs from either drafting or signing a free agent QB to begin the 2009 season.

The organization isn't going to wait forever for Croyle to "get it".

Let me go on the record:
We should have selected Henne unless we were totally comitted to Croyle (which may be the case, I do not know). Croyle emerges from the 2008 draft unchallenged. I don't know how you can say anything other than he benefits from the 2008 draft. He should have a better OL and does have a much better OC who will simplify the playbook to get the kids on the field and make plays.

Henne may win the starting job in Miami or at least be the QBotF. He set some Michigan passing records and UM QBs have a long track record of success at starting QBs in the NFL. I'm happy with Croyle if he's our guy, but if there was any speculation about QBs in the draft, Henne was my guy.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Yep. He was due a gigantic roster bonus and wouldn't renegotiate, chose to leave so he could play (and flop) with a recent SB squad.

Not to let reality get in the way of great fantasies like the Chiefs offense being good at any point before 2002, Grbac even being in Green's area code as a QB, team leader and ambassador of the franchise, or it being a mistake to bring in Priest Holmes because we had a great runningback already in Tony Richardson.

But I digress. If he doesn't 'get it' by now, he never will.

The Chiefs have elected to release Grbac, who in 2000 posted one of the most prolific passing years in club history, when they were unable to negotiate a new contract. Grbac was scheduled to receive a cap-busting $10 million signing bonus on March 15, hiking his salary cap number to $16.9 million in 2001.
Earlier in the day, the Chiefs announced the release of cornerback James Hasty and defensive tackle Chester McGlockton, two veteran starters whose contracts would have cost them almost $15 million against the salary cap limit.
Peterson, who normally does not disclose details of contract negotiations, said Jim Steiner, Grbac's agent, was seeking a five-year contract averaging $8 million a year, including a $20 million signing bonus.

"We believe that to be excessive, even for the quarterback position," Peterson said in a prepared statement. "We were well aware that this is all part of the process of free agency, which is why we took steps as early as last year to sign veteran Todd Collins to an extension. We have also been looking at other options regarding the quarterback position for 2001 and beyond."
Among those options is a possible trade with St. Louis for backup Trent Green, who came to the Rams in 1999 at the urging of Dick Vermeil, the new Chiefs coach.
The Rams reportedly are seeking first-and second-round draft picks for Green. Peterson said the club also would examine the free agent market for quarterbacks.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...1/ai_n11763104

It seems clear that EG was due the money, but KC didn't want to build around their PB QB. So they ended up paying similar money to Green and also sacrificed a precious #1 draft pick.

Its all water under the bridge, but as the years roll by, its pretty clear that Carl was trying lure DV out of retirement to coach the Chiefs and that one of DV's prerequisites was the Martz scheme and TG as QB. I won't defend Grbac's greed, but the choice to unload a PB QB was stupid. Green was a very good QB, but give Grbac Holmes, Kennison, LJ and Dante Hall and I bet looks pretty good, too.

[Mecca]

Lets put it this way if Croyle has a bad year this team will have the #1 pick..you know what that leads to.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Lets put it this way if Croyle has a bad year this team will have the #1 pick..you know what that leads to.

That's actually a VERY good point, Mecca. I hadn't thought of that. Although next year's QB class is purported to be much thinner than '08's...

[Mecca]

Yea right now it is.....someone may emerge someone may not, either way I can right now name off atleast 10 elite prospects for next years class.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea right now it is.....someone may emerge someone may not, either way I can right now name off atleast 10 elite prospects for next years class.

I see us drafting top 5 again next year. If Croyle has even an average season, I don't see us drfating a franchise QB unless Clark Hunt gets directly involved.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Lets put it this way if Croyle has a bad year this team will have the #1 pick..you know what that leads to.

we trade it for the rights to brett favre?

[tk13]

Before last year's draft everyone thought Brohm was the surefire #1 guy this year, and he barely made it into the 2nd round. So much changes in a season... some people will drop off and some unexpected QB's will probably blossom.

Either way, you still aren't evaluating Croyle or any other QB without putting better talent around him. You don't have to wait to have an All-Star team, but a team like last year's just won't cut it.

[teedubya]