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Old 10-11-2010, 10:28 AM  
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Haley gambled to win
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Haley researched game-opening onside kicks back to 2000 and found the team that tried it won six of 11 games.
Make up your mind. When you get a guy like Herm or Marty in people complain "they play not to lose. I just want a guy that plays to win."

Then you get a guy like Haley in who opens with an onside kick and people say "that was stupid. he seemed intimidated."

Intimidated by opening with an onside kick? How stupid can you be? That's gambling. That's playing to win. Going for it on 4th down was playing to win. Why? Because he doesn't have faith in Cassel so he knows he's going to have to do some unconventional things for that to happen. Shit man, credit the coach for being smart enough to understand these things rather than put his head in the sand about it. Haley would drop Cassel for an upgrade in a heartbeat if he could right now. Bet on it. Cassel won't be QB'ing this team next year unless he has some kind of crazy turn around.

In the meantime complaining about things like the onside kick and going for it on 4th are stupid. We were on the road, in Indy where they generally blow people out. Haley figured we would need to manufacture some points and take some possessions away from Manning in order to win so he went with that in mind. And it almost worked if not for a single dropped pass (for the most part). Haley and this coaching staff have led us to 3-1 and more than likely we will be 5-3 or better midway. At this point, outside of bitching about Cassel, there really isn't much to complain about.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:21 PM   #61
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Yep. Why gamble when you don't need to?

Show a little faith in your players to do the job you've asked them to do. If it some point during the game they show they can't, then be aggressive.
Going for it on 4th does show faith in his players to the job. So does the onside kick.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:29 PM   #62
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the kick was going to work, if our ****ing kicker doesn't shank it


them's the breaks.....i think haley will eventually figure out the risk/reward scenario's with more experience...and i think he believes he has to do these things with our weak offense...maybe after this game he'll trust our defense more

but i like his generally aggressive attitude, and the fact that he is always thinking about a way to give us an edge...
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:46 PM   #63
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Haley is coaching much like Sean Peyton of the Saints. He is a young agressive coach trying to come up with ways to win games. I have no problem with it on a learning curve. I like the attitude and agressiveness he brings to a much needed team that had no heart under Herman Munster.

Other than losing our perfect record at 3-0 we are a team that doesn't have the pressure to win games each week like the Colts, we can be as aggressive as we want to upset the bigdogs and do whatever it takes to goush them with a play that is not the norm. He would have been a gunius if the plays worked and he would have been loved even more. I think he is doing a damn good job so far for his second year as a HC. The players have to execute the playes better. I would have settled for the three points, but against Peyton Freaking Manning I totally understand go for 7.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:48 PM   #64
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Haley is coaching much like Sean Peyton of the Saints. He is a young agressive coach trying to come up with ways to win games. I have no problem with it on a learning curve. I like the attitude and agressiveness he brings to a much needed team that had no heart under Herman Munster.

Other than losing our perfect record at 3-0 we are a team that doesn't have the pressure to win games each week like the Colts, we can be as aggressive as we want to upset the bigdogs and do whatever it takes to goush them with a play that is not the norm. He would have been a gunius if the plays worked and he would have been loved even more. I think he is doing a damn good job so far for his second year as a HC. The players have to execute the playes better. I would have settled for the three points, but against Peyton Freaking Manning I totally understand go for 7.
It's not that hard to go for it when you have Drew Brees.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:52 PM   #65
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Agree 100%

On that drive we had runs for 2yds, 7yds, 5yds, 11yds, 3yds, 3yds, 6yds, and 2yds. We were stuffed for a loss, but i believe that was negated by an offsides penalty. They had no answer for the run to the left, and we decided to place our 4th and 2 fate in Cassel's hands. I hate that call.


THAT right there was the killer. You DO NOT place the ball in Cat Massel****s hands on 4th and anything...
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