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Old 11-07-2010, 10:42 PM  
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Who is the biggest goat?
This should be fun.

In my opinion Bowe and Flowers are more to blame than Cassel. I'd rank the blame game this way:

Flowers
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Cassel

By the way, I almost added Mr Flopnuts to this poll, because he ****ed with our juju.

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Old 11-07-2010, 11:11 PM   #61
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I agree with that.

But still, when push came to shove, he didn't come through in OT.

To me, that is choking.
This. Why cant people understand this.

Its obvious he DID NOT play well enough to win.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:11 PM   #62
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Bowe, as if he catches the catchable ball, we win the game.

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Sidenote: I always think of GOAT as greatest of all time...how did it come about that goat of a game is the person most responsible for the loss?
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:11 PM   #63
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Other than the bad INT in the end-zone at the end of the first half, Cassel played well enough for the Chiefs to win.

This team is supposed to be led by a strong running game and mistake free football. The Chiefs struggled to run the ball all day, and were plagued by mistakes (penalties and horrific special teams play) throughout the game.
Why? Oh yeah...
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:11 PM   #64
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He made a few good throws, but a few good throws does not a win make. Especially when all the other throws are big shitty pieces of shit-covered shit.
Cassel did enough for the Chiefs to win the game. And in the moment when they needed him most, he threw a catchable ball to Bowe that Bowe dropped.

Then Flowers misses a play that was also a great effort on the WR.

Then Cassel had a shitty OT (though, I think some of that could fall on the receivers, as it didn't look like anyone was open).

They all should have made plays. But if you're prioritizing blame, you have to start from the one play that would have prevented all of that from happening. You could argue all day long about if the Chiefs don't give up that special teams TD, maybe the Chiefs still give up 20 points. But there's really no argument that if Bowe catches that ball, then the Chiefs get a new set of downs at the 2 minute warning and take three knees to win the game.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:12 PM   #65
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Other than the bad INT in the end-zone at the end of the first half, Cassel played well enough for the Chiefs to win.

This team is supposed to be led by a strong running game and mistake free football. The Chiefs struggled to run the ball all day, and were plagued by mistakes (penalties and horrific special teams play) throughout the game.
Cassel makes two or three good throws all game and that's considered "well enough"? Talk about low standards. Jesus.

Yes, there is plenty of blame to go around, but to pretend that Cassel playing a good game (not some mythical "good enough" game) wouldn't radically change the outcome is ludicrous.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:13 PM   #66
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This. Why cant people understand this.

Its obvious he DID NOT play well enough to win.
He played well enough to win in a game where everyone else did their job.

Unfortunately, the running game blew, special teams blew, and defense choked at the end.

Cassel can't overcome the mistakes of others.

And I don't expect him to. I'd be happy if he was a cog in the machine like Trent Green was.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:13 PM   #67
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Cassel did not lose this game today!

Bowe makes that catch & it's game over......
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:14 PM   #68
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Not looking for FG range.

But a couple of first downs from that point on the field are huge.

I was excited when we won the coin toss. I thought "hey! maybe Cassel will continue to be clutch and we'll get the hell out of this dungeon with a win."

Two plays later.
I blame that partially on playcalling. However I will give you this, why on earth would Cassel try to throw that ball to Pope, I would rather him try and scramble or even stand around and shit his pants.

There is no way Pope gets that first down even if he catches that and Cassel should realize that.
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Cassel did not lose this game today!

Bowe makes that catch & it's game over......
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Moeaki dropping the 3rd and 1 pass.

Haley for not going for it on 4th and 1.

Studebaker for getting called for the hold.

Berry called for a hold that nullifies a TD return.

On five consecutive plays in the red zone, Cassel throws three straight incompletions, takes a sack, and throws an interception.

On the opening kickoff of the second half we blow coverage and allow a TD.

Arenas fumbles the kickoff.

That is less than 1 quarter of clock time. We screwed up winning plays all day long. Team loss.
This right here. Team loss period. There is plenty of blame to go around. Very few get a pass on the loss. IMHO no individual was more responsible than anyone else. The team flat out sucked from the moment the ball left Succops foot to start the second half.

As far as the red zone pick goes thats on Moeaki. I don't think he was where he was supposed to be. Bowe was open and that pass looked to me like it was intended for Bowe. Cassel was plenty pissed about as well.
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But if you're prioritizing blame, you have to start from the one play that would have prevented all of that from happening.
I disagree. You have to start with the overall performance of your quarterback. If Cassel knows how to make throws and make them consistently, if he knows how to sustain drives more often than kill them, then the whole complexion of the game changes. It's a little more abstract of an approach, but I think pretending like each play exists in a vacuum is silly. It's not about one play going one way or the other; it's about one player, the supposed leader of the team, putting together a complete game. Everything branches out from there.
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He played well enough to win in a game where everyone else did their job.

Unfortunately, the running game blew, special teams blew, and defense choked at the end.

Cassel can't overcome the mistakes of others.

And I don't expect him to. I'd be happy if he was a cog in the machine like Trent Green was.
So today he was the cog in the machine that didn't fit? or all of the other cogs were broke and he couldn't overcome it?
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So today he was the cog in the machine that didn't fit? or all of the other cogs were broke and he couldn't overcome it?
All of the other cogs were slightly off.
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Cassel did not lose this game today!

Bowe makes that catch & it's game over......
But there were at least 10 other plays that could have been made that would have been "game over". That wasn't even the last one. To single out Bowe is just arbitrary.
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If Bowe makes that catch, nothing else matters. .

Such a stupid game to play. Let's see:

1. If Studebaker doesn't hold, the Bowe drop doesn't matter.
2. If Cassel doesn't wet himself and throw off his back foot at the end of the first half, it's likely that the Bowe drop wouldn't have mattered.
3. And about 5 more "ifs."
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