Pioli: Belichick draft criticism 'ridiculous'

[Hammock Parties]

Thick as thieves.

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/th...ism-ridiculous

Chiefs GM and former Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli, in an appearance on The Big Show, said that criticism of the draft and player personnel record of Patriots coach Bill Belichick was "ridiculous." While some of Belichick's player moves have come under scrutiny in the years since Pioli left New England for the Chiefs after the 2008 season, the architect of the Chiefs -- who spent 16 years working with Belichick in the NFL -- said that Belichick remains the best coach in the NFL and that the Patriots front office continues to assemble strong groups.

"I haven’t paid attention to it but I just think it’s ridiculous, quite honestly," Pioli said of such criticism. "The reality is Bill’s done a great job with that football team. Bill does a great job with personnel."

"What happened dring our time here together for the nine years was special. ... A lot of things came together, the alignment of a lot of things: ownership, coaching, players and all the other people," he added. "It’s inevitable that things are going to change. I’m not sure why Patriots fans are disillusioned at different times, because they’re gong to be in the hunt every year. They still have great ownership, they still have the best coach in the NFL and there’s a lot of good people there that are finding players. It’s still a special place. Don’t worry, Patriots fans."

Pioli, who will be returning to Gillette Stadium for the first time in his three seasons with the Chiefs, said that the Monday Night game in Foxboro will result in "a lot of mixed emotions. It’s going to be a business trip, [but] ... I know for me, it will be impossible for me to remain unaffected emotionally by seeing those people, going back into Gillette Stadium."

[DeezNutz]

"I haven't paid attention to it, but I just think it's ridiculous."

Nice contradiction, Scott. And since you're reading everything, including probably taking a peek at fan message boards, let me welcome you to CP. We want you to do great things in KC. To accomplish this, I would like to offer a friendly suggestion:

Gently and slowly back away from The Tree. I realize that your lips will miss their binky, but avoiding The Tree will also help prevent further potentially career-ending mistakes. See: Matt Cassel and the '09 draft. Yeah, we know you ****ed up. But getting your lips off The Tree will allow you to see around it. You're welcome.

In closing, if a player weighs less than 150 lbs., don't draft him in the second round, and 3-4 defenses tend to work best with a viable NT.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Are some of the Pats fans who said jerking off Green Bays drafts was ridiculous still around?

Are you seriously going to come in here and start beating your chest about personnel decisions?
Oh that's right the Chiefs aren't doing well, I should have expected as much.
Show all the n00bs a picture of the girl you're banging.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

"I haven't paid attention to it, but I just think it's ridiculous."

Nice contradiction, Scott. And since you're reading everything, including probably taking a peek at fan message boards, let me welcome you to CP. We want you to do great things in KC. To accomplish this, I would like to offer a friendly suggestion:

Gently and slowly back away from The Tree. I realize that your lips will miss their binky, but avoiding The Tree will also help prevent further potentially career-ending mistakes. See: Matt Cassel and the '09 draft. Yeah, we know you ****ed up. But getting your lips off The Tree will allow you to see around it. You're welcome.

In closing, if a player weighs less than 150 lbs., don't draft him in the second round, and 3-4 defenses tend to work best with a viable NT.

I am quoting this post to show my agreement with its content.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

This looks like it could be the final stage of a long civil war between the Draftubators & The Pro Patriot way folks. After we finish 4-12 Cassel will be gone, coaches will be fired, and arguments will have been won.

No it won't.
Who's getting fired???

[JD10367]

I think there's a middle ground between "Belichick is God" (chowda mult) and "Belichick isn't even the best coach in the game right now" (Brock).

It's pretty clear that Belichick is one of the best coaches in NFL history. He's won two SBs as a defensive coordinator (with one of those game plans going to Canton). He's won three SBs as a head coach and been to a 4th, and was one ref's non-call on "in the grasp" away from going 19-0. He's made chicken salad with chicken shit (using castaway DBs a lot of the time, and using Matt Cassel to go 11-5).

Yes, he is lucky to have had Brady: but it's not like Brady was a seasoned starter when Belichick came to town. They picked him, they groomed him, they kept him as a 4th QB, they elevated him to backup, and post-2001 we now know that they were contemplating pulling Bledsoe for Brady even before Mo Lewis made the decision moot. And the other greats had theirs too. Lombardi had Bart Starr. Noll had Terry Bradshaw. Bill Walsh had Joe Montana. Shula is the only exception, who actually won SBs without a stud QB (but with a very strong team otherwise); the one time Shula DID have a stud QB (Marino) he dominated the AFCE for years and did make one SB, although he lost it.

Much like, when you discuss the greatest NFL QBs, you include Brady and those names above, you include Belichick and those names above when you discuss greatest NFL HCs. "Greatest ever"? I'll get back to you on that in 20 years. Right now, he's one of the greatest, and certainly in the salary-cap era he's proven the ability to keep the ship afloat and competitive. But as we've seen by many of his draft and FA failures he's not infallible. As I said elsewhere, if the man was a little better at drafting and signing he might have more SB rings by now. And he's made some strange decisions which have also cost him (e.g. letting Branch go but not replacing the productivity; dumping about 35 defensive backs this year and now paying the price for it).

Someone mentioned running backs. IMO, when it comes to running backs, the Pats have never really failed because they've never really tried. They've always concentrated on a pass-blocking O-line and throwing the ball--which makes sense, when you have a Tom Brady. Even tonight, despite KC's run defense woes, I bet you don't see a lot of running. And why would they, really? They pass so well. I think they CAN run, if they put their mind to it more often, but they don't. And, granted, sometimes that bites them in the ass; the running game, like a muscle in the body, atrophies if not exercised, and it cost them in the Giants SB. Which is why I'd like to see a bit more running from them, because they'll need it more as the weather turns cold. We know BJGE can at least get the job done, and we've seen flashes from Ridley, so I'm hoping the Pats jump out to a ridiculous halftime lead (I'd like, say, 31-3) so they can spend the rest of the night exercising the run and letting Brady drink Gatorade.

[WhiteWhale]

Goddamn guys, you make all chiefs fans sound like whiny bitter little bitches.

Next let's all mock SF for their terrible MLB. Then we can talk about how much the Cardinals star WR is a pile of shit. Hey, I KNOW! Next let's explain to everyone how much Adrian Peterson is a over-rated pile of shit!

It's embarrassing that you guys spew this crap you don't even believe, no doubt born from insecurity because the Chiefs ****ing SUCK!

I'd be perfectly happy to have had the Patriots success over the past 10 years, but you all act like it was a ****in' mirage.

[Brock]

The patriot way:

1. Fall ass backwards into a HOF QB.
2. ???
3. Profit!!!!

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Pioli is just kissing ass hoping BB doesn't embarrass his trainwreck of a team too badly.

He maybe just kissing ass to get his old job back? Hell he tried hard enough to make the KC Chiefs into the Patriots & so far hasn't worked out to plan.

[Rasputin]

Pioli is now out there looking at Patriots 3rd string QB & BB is touting his tallents for a 3rd round pick. They may get a deal done for a 2nd rounder for the 3string QB if the Patriots throw in 35yo (next year 36) Marshal Faulk.

[whoman69]

I think to a certain extent they fell into the Colts trap of building the team around the QB. When that QB doesn't come through they don't have enough to win. They've also been drafting in the bottom third of the draft for the last decade. Many teams passed on Clay Matthews and it was a pick that brought a lot of criticism at the time. Does Matthews fit in the Pats defense? I think he could make it work, but he isn't setting the world on fire right now. Most thought his career would pretty much match this year.

Bellichick was a big part of the success of the Pats from his schemes to his leadership to his personnel input. I think he gave up on a few players too soon to get draft picks. He fell into the wisdom that players are just parts of engine that can be replaced. He did hoodwink the Chiefs to get Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd.

[FAX]

I'll tell you what's ridiculous. Pioli. He's ridiculous.

He trades for Cassel and gets Wild Bill to throw in Vrabel so he looks smart to the fans and the media. Then, we find out that Vrabel could play quarterback better than Cassel, but we're stuck with Cassel for like ... forever ... because the damn guy is a zombie or something and cannot die.

Then, on top of all that, he tells Haley that we have to start Cassel on account of all the money that Clark is shelling out and if he doesn't like it he can speak with Clark about it but Haley knows that he cannot do that because he's been getting naked text messages from Clark's wife.

And, I'm not even going to mention the murder threats.

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[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Jesus, how many multiple accounts does Gochiefs have, for ****'s sake?

Zero.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

"I haven't paid attention to it, but I just think it's ridiculous."

Nice contradiction, Scott. And since you're reading everything, including probably taking a peek at fan message boards, let me welcome you to CP. We want you to do great things in KC. To accomplish this, I would like to offer a friendly suggestion:

Gently and slowly back away from The Tree. I realize that your lips will miss their binky, but avoiding The Tree will also help prevent further potentially career-ending mistakes. See: Matt Cassel and the '09 draft. Yeah, we know you ****ed up. But getting your lips off The Tree will allow you to see around it. You're welcome.

In closing, if a player weighs less than 150 lbs., don't draft him in the second round, and 3-4 defenses tend to work best with a viable NT.

I love a good Deez beatdown.

Drafturbators, mount up! The time of reckoning is nigh!

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Thick as thieves.

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/th...ism-ridiculous

""a lot of mixed emotions. It’s going to be a business trip, [but] ... I know for me, it will be impossible for me to remain unaffected emotionally by seeing those people, going back into Gillette Stadium.""

Since he's so emotional, maybe he can just stay there! Obviously he's not got the same emotion here, nor does he have ties to this team. So move on Oprah...

[FAX]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Since he's so emotional, maybe he can just stay there! Obviously he's not got the same emotion here, nor does he have ties to this team. So move on Oprah...

Really.

And take your dumbass quarterback with you.

FAX