Admitting Mistakes..key for the Chiefs franchise

[Hammock Parties]

Seriously, you want to play two 300-pounders at DT in a 4-3.

With Hali and Houston at end.

Way to set the defense back three years.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Jackson is a left in a 4-3, and a two-down player at that. Basically, exactly what he is in this scheme. I don't think that talent evaluators were wrong when they said that Dorsey could play the three technique, but when your job is to occupy and scrape, you aren't going to be shooting gaps.

I still think that this team would do well to be a little more exotic in passing situations. Move Dorsey and Gilberry inside, and rush Houston and Hali off the edges.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Jackson is a left in a 4-3, and a two-down player at that. Basically, exactly what he is in this scheme. I don't think that talent evaluators were wrong when they said that Dorsey could play the three technique, but when your job is to occupy and scrape, you aren't going to be shooting gaps.

I still think that this team would do well to be a little more exotic in passing situations. Move Dorsey and Gilberry inside, and rush Houston and Hali off the edges.

I tend to agree more with this.

We actually have guys who are pretty versatile. Move them around.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I tend to agree more with this.

We actually have guys who are pretty versatile. Move them around.

I still have memories of the 96 defense basically putting 10 men up on the line and setting the tone. I mean we would line everyone up on the line and the offense knew we were bringing it. And the philosophy was simple....rush the QB and tackle the RB on the way if they hand it to him.

It was intimidating. Think back to the 49rs game when we raped Steve Young. He had that scared look in his eyes after the first sack which I think was like their 2nd or 3rd play from scrimmage.

I want that back. I want that mauling defense back where it didn't matter where you lined up on the line you were going to knock the **** out of the guy in front of you whether he was a lineman, TE or WR. Whoever it was was not going to come off that line clean and easy and the QB knew he was not going to get away with some 7 step drop and a 20 yard pass without getting his ass stomped.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I still have memories of the 96 defense basically putting 10 men up on the line and setting the tone. I mean we would line everyone up on the line and the offense knew we were bringing it. And the philosophy was simple....rush the QB and tackle the RB on the way if they hand it to him.

It was intimidating. Think back to the 49rs game when we raped Steve Young. He had that scared look in his eyes after the first sack which I think was like their 2nd or 3rd play from scrimmage.

I want that back. I want that mauling defense back where it didn't matter where you lined up on the line you were going to knock the **** out of the guy in front of you whether he was a lineman, TE or WR. Whoever it was was not going to come off that line clean and easy and the QB knew he was not going to get away with some 7 step drop and a 20 yard pass without getting his ass stomped.

Well man I think the times of defenses like that are over. I think we could be more aggressive like we were in the Steeler and first half pats game tho and be very successful.


It's been stated before , but Berry really brings this defense together.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well man I think the times of defenses like that are over. I think we could be more aggressive like we were in the Steeler and first half pats game tho and be very successful.


It's been stated before , but Berry really brings this defense together.

Oh no question Berry adds tremendously to the D. But we need another Berry. I remember having Kevin Ross and Deron Cherry. That's what we need. You want to be a shutdown defense you have to have 2 safetys that can cover and play the run and hit mother ****ers so hard they go back to the huddle saying "don't run that play again". We have 1 of those safetys and we have one of those corners in Carr. I don't think Flowers can play a true bump-run but he can play a press. Carr on the other hand needs to take his game to the next step and be a James Hasty and start laying ****ers out at the line. I think he can do that.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Jackson is a left in a 4-3, and a two-down player at that. Basically, exactly what he is in this scheme. I don't think that talent evaluators were wrong when they said that Dorsey could play the three technique, but when your job is to occupy and scrape, you aren't going to be shooting gaps.

I still think that this team would do well to be a little more exotic in passing situations. Move Dorsey and Gilberry inside, and rush Houston and Hali off the edges.

I agree with this. Seems when we had Cower as a DC and even Adolph and Gunther we just blitzed so much more. Having good bump-run corners helps that a lot and we had some great corners and safteys.

I want that back. I want to get the corners up in a guys face and knock him around coming off the ball while everyone else is going for a QB lunch. You get in those 3rd and longs and QB's just don't have time to throw the ball 20 yards down field.

[Hammock Parties]

Jackson's run defense is rated higher than Brett Keisel's, but you think he gets pushed around a lot.

Uh, no.

[O.city]

I know it seems really dark righ tnow as a Chiefs fan with the peckerhead we have at GM, but this team isn't as far away as one might think.


It really all depends on his decision about Cassel. It could determine the way of this franchise for 10 years down the road.

If he were to go qb in the first and that guy actually turned out to be the guy, we are a true fan draft the rest of the way out from putting a really good team out there on sunday. THis is also considering we get healthy.

[whoman69]

We should be looking to draft from schools that run the 3-4 for the front seven, especially so for the line. I know occassionally you can project a lighter end to play LB in the 3-4, but very rarely are 4-3 lineman able to play line in a 3-4.

Georgia, Georgia Tech, Houston, Notre Dame, Stanford, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Alabama, Air Force, Army, Navy, BYU, California and SMU

Take the guesswork out.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by whoman69

We should be looking to draft from schools that run the 3-4 for the front seven, especially so for the line. I know occassionally you can project a lighter end to play LB in the 3-4, but very rarely are 4-3 lineman able to play line in a 3-4.

Georgia, Georgia Tech, Houston, Notre Dame, Stanford, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Alabama, Air Force, Army, Navy, BYU, California and SMU

Take the guesswork out.

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Well said.

[Hammock Parties]

Here's what happens if we switch to a 4-3:

Jackson gets pushed around at DT.

Dorsey continues to 2-gap.

Hali is probably not as effective.

We are left holding our dicks looking for two outside linebackers, hoping that DJ can play the middle in a 4-3.

Sounds like a recipe for a bottom 10 defense.

And THIS defense, two games ago, was shitting on Ben Roethlisberger.

Yeah, no.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Omega

Here's what happens if we switch to a 4-3:

Jackson gets pushed around at DT.

Dorsey continues to 2-gap.

Hali is probably not as effective.

We are left holding our dicks looking for two outside linebackers, hoping that DJ can play the middle in a 4-3.

Sounds like a recipe for a bottom 10 defense.

And THIS defense, two games ago, was shitting on Ben Roethlisberger.

Yeah, no.

Agreed. No reason whatsoever to switch to a 4-3. Bad move.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Agreed. No reason whatsoever to switch to a 4-3. Bad move.

I am not saying we should swtich to a 4-3. I prefer a 3-4. I think it is more confusing for an offense and is a much more aggresive scheme. My point was, however badly stated, that if we are going to continue to draft 4-3 players on the line then you might as well switch to a 4-3. And to a lesser degree if we are going to run this soft zone crap then switch to a 4-3. If you're going to run a 3-4 then let the players lace em' up and have at it.

DJ is a beast on the blitz. He almost always gets pressure that alters the play. But we need safetys and another LB that can cover TE's over the middle so you can blitz DJ more.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am not saying we should swtich to a 4-3. I prefer a 3-4. I think it is more confusing for an offense and is a much more aggresive scheme. My point was, however badly stated, that if we are going to continue to draft 4-3 players on the line then you might as well switch to a 4-3. And to a lesser degree if we are going to run this soft zone crap then switch to a 4-3. If you're going to run a 3-4 then let the players lace em' up and have at it.

DJ is a beast on the blitz. He almost always gets pressure that alters the play. But we need safetys and another LB that can cover TE's over the middle so you can blitz DJ more.

I'd like to see some safety depth, but you have to remember next year we will hopefully be getting an all pro back at safety.