Teicher|Sutton on Chiefs’ defense: ‘You don’t have to junk the system’

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

yep, I wondered if anyone would catch that.

Funny, I caught a millisecond of Kietzman on the radio tonight saying he is getting Herm to really open up on a lot of NFL coaching/jobs type stuff now because he says Herm came to the realization after this past month of HC openings that nobody wants Herm to HC for them, so he's kind of leting the good stuff out the bag.

Kietzman said Herm felt if they would have been able to draft Matt Ryan instead of Dorsey, they'd have won big time with him and he might still be the HC. I thought about that for a minute and just shook my head. I'm no Herm basher, but I do believe in fate -- somehow, I just feel like everything has run it's course here for the Chiefs. And Herm.

Kietzman said Herm has begun to embrace sports broadcasting as a result of being passed over this last time, so we may get some juicy bits from the Herminator in the future. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during that last season or two he was coach. The shit was getting pretty deep at 1 arrowhead

[RustShack]

My mind is blown why people point out his tenure as the Jets DC. Mangini came from a team where he ran that defense, Sutton had never been in that defense. Who's defense was it then? Yeah it was the guy who's never been in it before. Idiots.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

Well, you've got to have smart physical inside LB's to make the 1 gap style work or you will give up big plays up the middle.

I defer to Ray Lewis' statements on Rex's 34 defense -- something to the effect of constantly getting mauled by linemen.

If your DL take the right gap to the ball, you did good. If they take the wrong gap, your backers had better man up.

Not that I'm disagreeing with your statement, but really I've always hated the 2-gap and it seems silly to me to not have your dline guys penetrating bc they still have to be accounted for and yes you and get gashed like on traps, etc., but your Mikes should be able to fill gaps and take on the guys at the point of attack. Esp. for this team and having Berry's talent and run support available. I just feel its absurd to simply clog the lanes - esp in this day and age when the rules and offensive schemes heavily favor passing. Better to send them in and collapse the pocket, disrupt the qb's field of vision/knock down balls, and either sack the guy or put him on his ass and on high-alert and paranoid of hearing footsteps to rattle his timing.

As for Ray Ray's comment I'll defer to when he played against the Chiefs during DV's stint on a nationally televised game and was miced up. He whined and bitched like a little girl BC he was getting steamrolled, including being BLOWN UP in a goal line stand as the Chiefs trotted into the end zone right over him because our oline & trich tossed him back and on his ass like a ragdoll. So, take his complaint about not having his constant fresh crop of all pro dlinemen in front to wingman and free him up with a grain of salt and in context.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Not that I'm disagreeing with your statement, but really I've always hated the 2-gap and it seems silly to me to not have your dline guys penetrating bc they still have to be accounted for and yes you and get gashed like on traps, etc., but your Mikes should be able to fill gaps and take on the guys at the point of attack. Esp. for this team and having Berry's talent and run support available. I just feel its absurd to simply clog the lanes - esp in this day and age when the rules and offensive schemes heavily favor passing. Better to send them in and collapse the pocket, disrupt the qb's field of vision/knock down balls, and either sack the guy or put him on his ass and on high-alert and paranoid of hearing footsteps to rattle his timing.

As for Ray Ray's comment I'll defer to when he played against the Chiefs during DV's stint on a nationally televised game and was miced up. He whined and bitched like a little girl BC he was getting steamrolled, including being BLOWN UP in a goal line stand as the Chiefs trotted into the end zone right over him because our oline & trich tossed him back and on his ass like a ragdoll. So, take his complaint about not having his constant fresh crop of all pro dlinemen in front to wingman and free him up with a grain of salt and in context.

ya well, it is what it is and that OL?? one of the best. ever. DJ is in for some real tests of will next season.

[Hammock Parties]

Haha, Herm tried to get back in the NFL?

That's precious.

[Hammock Parties]

Matt Ryan would have been ****ing crushed behind our OL in 2008.

Nothing was ever going to work with Herm. Amazing that he still doesn't get that.

The guy is completely out of his element in the pass happy modern NFL.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Matt Ryan would have been ****ing crushed behind our OL in 2008.

Nothing was ever going to work with Herm. Amazing that he still doesn't get that.

The guy is completely out of his element in the pass happy modern NFL.

ya, they went through 8 QB's those final two seasons with Herm. Matt Ryan would be the latest version of David Carr by now.

[Mother****erJones]

I like this hire. Im glad Reid went outside the box. Sutton has experience and knows he has to be aggressive. I cant wait to see some exotic looks and blitzes. The thing I heard on 610 today about Reid I liked, was that he is an innovator. Likes new ideas and schemes. Not the same old bland defense

[Mother****erJones]

Just because Matt Ryan is good in ATL doesnt mean he'd be good here. Pioli wouldve cut him. We havent had a great offensive mind and QB coach since the Vermeil days

[ArrowheadMagic]

At least this time he has actual 34 personnel to run his defense. Find out what he can do.

[RustShack]

I've loving the Reid hire. He isn't married to schemes like most other coaches. Well he is on offense, but that doesn't really matter as we had no offense.

It is interesting that we went from the Air Croyel to the Earnhardt-Perkins, and now the West Coast... as the EP is a mix between the Croyel and West Coast. Doesn't really matter what we run though, all that matters is getting a QB and the offense will see success.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

ya well, it is what it is and that OL?? one of the best. ever. DJ is in for some real tests of will next season.

True, true! That is in my somewhat limited football history knowledge the greatest offensive line I can rack my brain to come up with. (basically familiar with general knowledge of 70's going back and know way more from the 80's going forward) IDK, maybe some of the Redskin's lines from yesteryear or the Cowboys in the 90's...?

So, if there is a better one it would have had to been in the 70's or older- which then comes the debate of the size & skill of today's athletes compared to older eras, which especially in the prototypical NFL between decades has seen a DRASTIC evolution as to their size, speed, & agility.

That line is the model specimen of domination for an NFL line, IMO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oR...e_gdata_player

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life

Just because Matt Ryan is good in ATL doesnt mean he'd be good here. Pioli wouldve cut him. We havent had a great offensive mind and QB coach since the Vermeil days

That McCarthy guy wasn't too bad of a QB's coach either... whatever happened to that guy????

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

That McCarthy guy wasn't too bad of a QB's coach either... whatever happened to that guy????

He was here in the 90s not after vermeil