Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter

[The Franchise]

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The Chiefs have penciled in Rishaw Johnson as their starting right guard.

Signed off Kansas City's practice squad last September, Johnson showed promise in a Week 17 spot start against San Diego. The Seahawks were also high on Johnson at one point during his 2012 undrafted rookie season. The Chiefs have a ton of holes to fill on the offensive line after losing key guards Geoff Schwartz and Jon Asamoah, as well at left tackle Branden Albert in free agency.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If we are talking longer-term, if this leads to a strategy where we stop wasting high picks and big money on offensive linemen and decide to trust guys like Rishaw Johnson to play non-critical roles, then awesome. But it doesn't help when flip floppers on CP bitch about the Chiefs paying too much attention to the position, then bitch when the team decides to test a young guy out.

There isn't a single person that has dismissed the importance of the O-Line, except for your dumb ass.

Every one of the posters that you are suggesting does only dismisses the idea that you must spend high draft picks on them every ****ing year.

You are doing what you always do to prop up your side of a debate, which is over stating the arguments of the opposite side.

It's stupid and dishonest.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by milkman

There isn't a single person that has dismissed the importance of the O-Line, except for your dumb ass.

Every one of the posters that you are suggesting does only dismisses the idea that you must spend high draft picks on them every ****ing year.

You are doing what you always do to prop up your side of a debate, which is over stating the arguments of the opposite side.

It's stupid and dishonest.

[tmax63]

I don't like the way it has shaken out this offseason either but now you go with what you got, draft one in rd 1 or get just as "iffy" a proposition by getting a guard later. I haven't said much simply because I can't make up my mind which way I would go.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

There isn't a single person that has dismissed the importance of the O-Line, except for your dumb ass.

Every one of the posters that you are suggesting does only dismisses the idea that you must spend high draft picks on them every ****ing year.

You are doing what you always do to prop up your side of a debate, which is over stating the arguments of the opposite side.

It's stupid and dishonest.

And you are doing what you always do, which is to undersell how exaggerated your side of the debate has been.

Give me a ****ing break. If one side believes you shouldn't burn high draft picks on linemen (and I'm one of them), then that means you don't think the position is important. If one side believes linemen aren't playmakers or difference makers (and I'm one of them), then that means you don't think the position is important.

If you truly believe in what you're saying, then you should have no hesitation to give a guy like Rishaw Jackson, Eric Kush, or Rokevius Watkins a shot at starting at Guard. Instead, we're going to hear people bitch about not paying $5M for a Guard or spending $9M for a Left Tackle.

[Hammock Parties]

So now a third-round prospect, or a FA with starting experience is equal to some undrafted DII jagoff with the ****ing name "Rishaw."

Get ****ed.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

So now a third-round prospect, or a FA with starting experience is equal to some undrafted DII jagoff with the ****ing name "Rishaw."

Get ****ed.

So again… you're pissed because we're not starting a high draft pick or a guy who was paid $5M.

So please… tell me, if we are so insistent that you don't to spend big money and high draft picks on a Guard, then why the **** are we freaking out about trying out a Guard who isn't paid much and wasn't drafted high? Especially a guy who's been on our roster for a full year so we know what we have in him?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

So please… tell me, if we are so insistent that you don't to spend big money and high draft picks on a Guard?

$5m isn't big money to me.

And spending a third round pick would be acceptable.

Your argument is flimsy.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by tmax63

I don't like the way it has shaken out this offseason either but now you go with what you got, draft one in rd 1 or get just as "iffy" a proposition by getting a guard later. I haven't said much simply because I can't make up my mind which way I would go.

The issue I have is that the Chiefs have put themselves in the same position you're in. It was totally avoidable because they had a guy on the roster that they should have re-signed which required less risk. The more questions you have going into a season, the less chance you have that they all work out. You minimize your risk when you can so that you're able to hedge your bets.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

$5m isn't big money to me.

And spending a third round pick would be acceptable.

Your argument is flimsy.

Then put your money where your mouth is. Would you be pissed if the Chiefs use a 3rd round pick in this year's draft on a Guard? I would NOT be a fan of it.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Then put your money where your mouth is. Would you be pissed if the Chiefs use a 3rd round pick in this year's draft on a Guard? I would NOT be a fan of it.

You can find a good starting guard in the third. That's where Will Shields was picked.

It's looking like this is a big need for us now, so I'd also be fine with spending a 2nd, since we're picking low anyway.

Depends who is there of course. If we pick a G over a stud WR or QB prospect that's stupidity.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

The issue I have is that the Chiefs have put themselves in the same position you're in. It was totally avoidable because they had a guy on the roster that they should have re-signed which required less risk. The more questions you have going into a season, the less chance you have that they all work out. You minimize your risk when you can so that you're able to hedge your bets.

I would rather take LOTS of low-cost, high reward risks on safe positions like Guard and Center, and take big risks on high draft pick, highly paid positions that are difference makers like QB or pass rusher.

Playing it safe on safe players by overpaying or over drafting gives you less shots at getting difference makers. If we fail with Rishaw Johnson, so what? Keep drafting 6th rounders and keep giving these guys shots.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

You can find a good starting guard in the third. That's where Will Shields was picked.

It's looking like this is a big need for us now, so I'd also be fine with spending a 2nd, since we're picking low anyway.

Depends who is there of course. If we pick a G over a stud WR or QB prospect that's stupidity.

You can find good starting Guards with 6th rounders and undrafted picks too. More likely than most positions on the field. The Chiefs can keep starting Hudson and Allen and see no drop off. They have Rokevius Watkins, Eric Kush, and Rishaw Johnson competing for one spot to replace a pretty average starter just to put this team at parity with last year. These are all guys Reid saw for a full year and thought good enough to keep around.

Worst case scenario, you're not great at Guard. Oh well.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I would rather take LOTS of low-cost, high reward risks on safe positions like Guard and Center, and take big risks on high draft pick, highly paid positions that are difference makers like QB or pass rusher.

Playing it safe on safe players by overpaying or over drafting gives you less shots at getting difference makers. If we fail with Rishaw Johnson, so what? Keep drafting 6th rounders and keep giving these guys shots.

Gotta find a balance and pay those who deserve it. Your way involves too many risks. You also are banking on hitting on ALL draft picks, which is totally unrealistic. So I'm not surprised why you choose this course as well. Glad you're not GM.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can find good starting Guards with 6th rounders and undrafted picks too.

Sure. If this works out power to our GM/HC. If not, they're dumbasses.

We have absolutely 0 proven talent on our OL right now. I guess Hudson is proven to be very average. Other than that it's huh what the **** jesus ****ing christ ****ing dinosaurs. That's scary.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can find good starting Guards with 6th rounders and undrafted picks too. More likely than most positions on the field. The Chiefs can keep starting Hudson and Allen and see no drop off. They have Rokevius Watkins, Eric Kush, and Rishaw Johnson competing for one spot to replace a pretty average starter just to put this team at parity with last year. These are all guys Reid saw for a full year and thought good enough to keep around.

Worst case scenario, you're not great at Guard. Oh well.

Wrong. Worse case is you're bad at BOTH guard positions, cuz Allen is not good. Now you have a BIG problem. You're thinking in a void rather in terms of the sum of the parts.