Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?

[BlackOp]

It was pretty much the consensus that drafting Ford spelled the exit for Hali next off-season...being that KC's defense is playing better this season with Berry on the bench, who is more valuable? I'm wondering if DJ hadn't been injured..if Berry's absence would even be noticed.

Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.

[Simply Red]

BTW how old is Hali?

[milkman]

Have to ask yourself, would Berry be injury prone if he wasn't lining up in the box so much?

The guys weighs, what, 205?

He's a tough SOB, but that takes a toll.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by milkman

Have to ask yourself, would Berry be injury prone if he wasn't lining up in the box so much?

The guys weighs, what, 205?

He's a tough SOB, but that takes a toll.

I've been saying this since Romeo decided he should be playing LB on practically half his snaps.

He should never have been forced into that role.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by O.city

Commings will never play a meaningful down for the chiefs.

The same was said about kelce.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by milkman

Have to ask yourself, would Berry be injury prone if he wasn't lining up in the box so much?

The guys weighs, what, 205?

He's a tough SOB, but that takes a toll.

Very good point.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think you are overstating Berry's flexibility in this scheme.

Reed never lined up in the box nearly as often as Berry has in this defense, and adjusting out of that requires more moving parts than just Berry moving.

Berry blitzed more than any saf3ty in the league by a mile. Let's start there. If he blitzes less, he's in coverage more. I don't see Abdullah playing the box in nearly the same way berry did and definitely not blitzing as much. Berry in an Abdullah role may play better. Which again begs the question, is it Sutton or berry that forced berry into the box or as a Blitzer? In either event, I'm leaning to berry to move to free safety but not because it's a better use of his skill set. Because I question if he has the football iq we think he has.

[BossChief]

If we are gonna make any run at a title in the next 3 years, we are gonna NEED Berry AND Hali to be in that picture...with Berry being utilized to take advantage of his open field speed, tackling ability and overall ability he has shown in the past to be an elite playmaker. We NEED the current Tamba Hali matched with the Eric Berry from his freshman and sophomore years at Tennessee before Monte Kiffen got there and neutered him into the box guy he has been ever since.

If we can get those things going, this defense WILL BE top 5 and we will be thought of as a contender because we have an offense that can put up enough points to win big games if paired with a top level defense.

If they don't think Berry can be a top level playmaking safety going forward, then they should trade him and try to bolster another position with the pick because he's NOT worth 10/yr unless he is a game changing player.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

Have to ask yourself, would Berry be injury prone if he wasn't lining up in the box so much?

The guys weighs, what, 205?

He's a tough SOB, but that takes a toll.

And that's exactly what my concern was (both before and after drafting him)in utilizing him the way he has been.

Kiffen
Crennel
Sutton

All ancient coaches that still think you win by shutting down the run FIRST even after the changes to how the game is played the last 10 years.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by milkman

Have to ask yourself, would Berry be injury prone if he wasn't lining up in the box so much?

The guys weighs, what, 205?

He's a tough SOB, but that takes a toll.

Pffft would help also if some asshole WR from the Buffalo Bills wouldn't have taken out his knee/with a cheap shot.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Pffft would help also if some asshole WR from the Buffalo Bills wouldn't have taken out his knee/with a cheap shot.

Apart from that.

[BlackOp]

This thread wasn't about if Berry is a good football player...it's more about his value to the team. In a perfect world, they could afford both..KC is going to be pressed on cap space next year. The Chiefs could get something for Berry in compensation..it's about if he is a luxury at this point. Poe is going to be expensive too..

What would Berry be worth in draft picks?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

And that's exactly what my concern was (both before and after drafting him)in utilizing him the way he has been.

Kiffen
Crennel
Sutton

All ancient coaches that still think you win by shutting down the run FIRST even after the changes to how the game is played the last 10 years.

I don't entirely disagree with "ancient coaches".

With the exception of the Pack, the teams that are winning SBs are teams that still value the running game, and do so effectively.

I don't agree that putting Berry in the box, however, is the smartest or best way to accomplish the task of stopping the run.

[ShortRoundChief]

The Chiefs should trade Berry and let Hali go (his best years are behind us).

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

The Chiefs should trade Berry and let Hali go (his best years are behind us).

I agree. Big $$ and age don't coincide in the NFL.

[RunKC]

Here's what you need to ask yourself. Is Berry worth it? Look at the job Ron Parker has done covering the field. He's been above average and we haven't had to worry. Abdullah has been fantastic back there as well. These two have been so good that we don't miss Berry in the slightest.
Look at what we've done against the competition we've faced? It speaks volumes that this team has not missed Eric Berry in the slightest this year.

If some slapdick GM is willing to give us a 1st rd pick, or even a 2nd plus a good player (WR) I take it.

And for the pro Hudson/Bailey/Hali club, it would not surprise me if Dorsey let's 2 of these guys, or all, leave this offseason.
People bitched about that last summer and literally NONE of those guys are missed.

We technically have capable replacements ready for most of these guys. Don't be surprised if Dorsey rolls with Abdullah, Kush, Cat, Ford and Parker next year over all these guys.