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oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 10:54 AM

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joe Montana is 59 years old, not far from Social Security.

The notion of Joe taking another NFL snap is, of course, ludicrous, but when he talks about the pass-happy NFL of today and how The League caters to quarterbacks and receivers, Montana has joked that he wouldn’t mind getting back behind center.

He sees wide receivers running free, unafraid.

He sees a vast land of opportunity, where only narrow swaths existed in his day.

Reporters ask Joe to compare, then and now. He obliges them.

Asked about the passing parties the NFL stages every Sunday, in particular, the shallow crossing routes that the Patriots and Packers and Chargers are using to great effect, Joe Cool all but said these kids need to get off his yard.

“If we’d tried that, the receiver wouldn’t have played another game for a month,” Montana told the Boston Herald's Ron Borges.

Every generation has its own challenges. Back when Montana last played, in the mid-1990s, his challenge was his own team. The Kansas City Chiefs. They almost never get it right at quarterback.

Sure, Len Dawson was a Hall of Famer. He helped them win a Super Bowl in 1970. An exception. The Chiefs surrounded Dawson with other Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers. Many were defenders. Back then, the NFL was legal mayhem. Teams mugged each other. The quarterback was fair game. Last man standing wins.

The Chiefs have never made it back to the Super Bowl. There are many reasons for it. Near the top of the list is the quarterback problem. And as quarterbacks have become even more outsized in their impact on the games, the Chiefs have never really got it right.

This year, they’re in a familiar spot. Quarterback jail.

Good-guy Alex Smith, God bless him, is not getting it done though he is, or was, until of late, a cut above what the Chiefs typically have trotted out behind center. The San Diegan looks spooked. He’s taken more sacks than any other AFC quarterback. Defenses are again daring him to beat them downfield, and he’s not making them back off.

A new receiver who cost the Chiefs a lot of money, Jeremy Maclin, has helped. He has dropped only one pass in 40 chances. A young tight end, Travis Kelse, is a playmaker from the Gronk Lite mold.

But the offense was built around the running back, Jamaal Charles, and that usually doesn’t work so great in this era. When Charles was lost for the season two games ago, the Chiefs went on to blow a game, at home to the Bears. Charles was having his struggles. He fumbled twice against the Broncos, in another game the Chiefs tossed in the trash can at Arrowhead Stadium.

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The Chiefs are 1-5. Kansas Citians have another team to cheer, the Royals, who are on the verge of making it two World Series trips in two years. Missouri has gone from red state to blue state.

So, even with a talented defense, it looks like the Chiefs’ streak of playoff futility will stretch for another year.

The Chiefs last won a playoff game after the 1993 season.

Montana was their quarterback. He led them past the Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston, then known as the Oilers.

Then came the AFC Championhip Game in frigid Buffalo. Twelve degrees, wind chill. Montana looked older than his 37 years and the Bills pasted him and the Chiefs, 30-13.

The Chiefs haven’t gone back to the AFC title game. They’ve not won any playoff games. It can be done, but probably won’t until they get a snappier quarterback who can pile up all those yards and points that are there to be got every Sunday.

**The Franchise** · 10-23-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So our wrs aren't getting open?

They are.....

Just not Alex Smith open.

Discuss Thrower · 10-23-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

We have no clue about ford yet because they won't put him on the field. Maybe that's enough evidence, but I'd imagine that one is undecided.

But kelce is the only one? Not likely. And because a 4th round pick is a gadget, it's a whiff?

I think you generally have a decent grip on things but the over exaggeration seems to be something you have a grasp on.

Fwiw, Gaines was playing pretty well as a 2nd year player at the Nickel spot as well.

So I th8nk you're overdoing it a bit here

Whatever Gaines brings to the table is outweighed by the rest of the class.

Ford sucks by the fact he can't unseat Hali.. and Hali should have retired a year ago. And yeah Thomas was a 4th rounder but in what world did it make sense to take a 5'9 kick returner when the team had holes at #2 WR and just about every OL spot outside of center?

O.city · 10-23-2015, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Whatever Gaines brings to the table is outweighed by the rest of the class.

Ford sucks by the fact he can't unseat Hali.. and Hali should have retired a year ago. And yeah Thomas was a 4th rounder but in what world did it make sense to take a 5'9 kick returner when the team had holes at #2 WR and just about every OL spot outside of center?

You're looking at 7 picks normally, if you hit 3 of those it's a solid draft. I think your over valuing expectations here.

They should have let Hali walk or retire, I agree therr. But I'm not ready to walk from ford yet because I think it's just not enough info.

They've also hit on alot of UDFA in this year's so its not quite as bleak as its being made out to be.

Just as with every other regime we've seen, they made the wrong decision with the qb and the trickle down effect is likely to get them fired, which is ironic because I'm guessing that was their fear, causing them to go conservative

chiefzilla1501 · 10-23-2015, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

That's exactly opposite of reality and hope to hell that's not Dorsey's belief.

A QB like Alex Smith must have an above average OL to be successful. A guy like Aaron Rodgers is good enough to elevate his OL. This shouldn't be about not giving a shit about Alex Smith's health, it's about being successful as a team. If Dorsey said '**** it' who cares if Alex Smith gets killed by a shitty OL then he is the wrong professional. That's how idiot fans think not a NFL GM.

If you're building around Alex Smith, you need an elite defense and an elite running game. Then you need excellent tight ends. After you've but all that and you've paid your QB 20 m, exactly how much do you have left to now need an elite ol? And for what? Is adding an extra second of time going to help Alex go vertical? Is he goong to use his pocket better? Make progressions? No. It will buy him more time to stare down his number 1 receiver and then go to his check down. You think an ol is going to help Alex Smith go through progressions?

Oh, and according to you, we also need elite receivers too. Maybe if we surround Alex Smith with the ray Lewis Ravens defense and the 2003 Colts offensive supporting cast, then maybe Alex Smith can win playoff games.

**RealSNR** · 10-23-2015, 03:25 PM

I'd also rather we keep drafting more WRs until we actually hit on some guys.

Conley was a good pick, and I think he can still be a good WR in the league (a WR3 at the very least... not in the slot, though). Wilson still has value.

But if we're in the position to draft a WR who will come in and bump each of those guys down one notch on the depth chart, why wouldn't we?

It's even more imperative that we get our QB at the same time, though. Alex hasn't "developed" one ****ing WR in his entire goddamn career. The closest he's come is Brandon Lloyd, and that's only because Lloyd was a rookie under Alex. He busted out and played well elsewhere.

Mr. Laz · 10-23-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If you're building around Alex Smith, you need an elite defense and an elite running game. Then you need excellent tight ends. After you've but all that and you've paid your QB 20 m, exactly how much do you have left to now need an elite ol?

Oh, and according to you, we also need elite receivers too. Maybe if we surround Alex Smith with the ray Lewis Ravens defense and the 2003 Colts offensive supporting cast, then maybe Alex Smith can win playoff games.

Where did i say anything about elite receivers?

I said quality players

**The Franchise** · 10-23-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I'd also rather we keep drafting more WRs until we actually hit on some guys.

Conley was a good pick, and I think he can still be a good WR in the league (a WR3 at the very least... not in the slot, though). Wilson still has value.

But if we're in the position to draft a WR who will come in and bump each of those guys down one notch on the depth chart, why wouldn't we?

It's even more imperative that we get our QB at the same time, though. Alex hasn't "developed" one ****ing WR in his entire goddamn career. The closest he's come is Brandon Lloyd, and that's only because Lloyd was a rookie under Alex. He busted out and played well elsewhere.

O.city · 10-23-2015, 03:32 PM

Why are the current wrs not quality players laz? I'm not trying to argue I'm just curious as to where that's coming from?

jspchief · 10-23-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Just stop it with this bullshit

you don't just let positions take care of themselves

we need to go out and get quality players at all positions

Didn't they just sign a top FA WR and draft a WR also? The wr position is not that bad.

Discuss Thrower · 10-23-2015, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Oh, and according to you, we also need elite receivers too. Maybe if we surround Alex Smith with the ray Lewis Ravens defense and the 2003 Colts offensive supporting cast, then maybe Alex Smith can win playoff games.

It's almost like no one realized this was the only way to win a SB with Smith.

**PHOG** · 10-23-2015, 05:47 PM

Agreed

**PHOG** · 10-23-2015, 05:48 PM

Any disputes?

Mr. Laz · 10-23-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Didn't they just sign a top FA WR and draft a WR also? The wr position is not that bad.

Yes, we got Maclin ... a great addition.

Right now Maclin is the only NFL starter level WR we have.

Maclin - yes
Conley - isn't ready yet
Wilson - can't stay healthy
Dat - not even as good as McCluster
Frankie Hammond - no
Brian Parker - Who?

So where is this NFL level receiver corp? It's not on our roster.

We don't even have 2 starters yet.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-23-2015, 09:12 PM

They are the most embarrassing piece of shit to be sure.

And stupidest.

Psyko Tek · 10-23-2015, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And here's the question, would you rather try to make chicken salad out of chicken shit with

a talentless team that plays hard
or
a talented team that plays soft?

Which quandary is more easily fixed IYO?

I am thinking the second
a good coach can fix guys that can play

takes a great coach to fix guys that can't play

we got neither right now

rather have Gunther just because he yells at the crowd, like coaches the will yell what the ****
and flip people off, sorry George
but Jebus give me a coach that cares about winning

10-23-2015, 10:54 AM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5828993	Chiefs are NFL's most disappointing team http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...ontana-royals/ joe Montana is 59 years old, not far from Social Security. The notion of Joe taking another NFL snap is, of course, ludicrous, but when he talks about the pass-happy NFL of today and how The League caters to quarterbacks and receivers, Montana has joked that he wouldn’t mind getting back behind center. He sees wide receivers running free, unafraid. He sees a vast land of opportunity, where only narrow swaths existed in his day. Reporters ask Joe to compare, then and now. He obliges them. Asked about the passing parties the NFL stages every Sunday, in particular, the shallow crossing routes that the Patriots and Packers and Chargers are using to great effect, Joe Cool all but said these kids need to get off his yard. “If we’d tried that, the receiver wouldn’t have played another game for a month,” Montana told the Boston Herald's Ron Borges. Every generation has its own challenges. Back when Montana last played, in the mid-1990s, his challenge was his own team. The Kansas City Chiefs. They almost never get it right at quarterback. Sure, Len Dawson was a Hall of Famer. He helped them win a Super Bowl in 1970. An exception. The Chiefs surrounded Dawson with other Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers. Many were defenders. Back then, the NFL was legal mayhem. Teams mugged each other. The quarterback was fair game. Last man standing wins. The Chiefs have never made it back to the Super Bowl. There are many reasons for it. Near the top of the list is the quarterback problem. And as quarterbacks have become even more outsized in their impact on the games, the Chiefs have never really got it right. This year, they’re in a familiar spot. Quarterback jail. Good-guy Alex Smith, God bless him, is not getting it done though he is, or was, until of late, a cut above what the Chiefs typically have trotted out behind center. The San Diegan looks spooked. He’s taken more sacks than any other AFC quarterback. Defenses are again daring him to beat them downfield, and he’s not making them back off. A new receiver who cost the Chiefs a lot of money, Jeremy Maclin, has helped. He has dropped only one pass in 40 chances. A young tight end, Travis Kelse, is a playmaker from the Gronk Lite mold. But the offense was built around the running back, Jamaal Charles, and that usually doesn’t work so great in this era. When Charles was lost for the season two games ago, the Chiefs went on to blow a game, at home to the Bears. Charles was having his struggles. He fumbled twice against the Broncos, in another game the Chiefs tossed in the trash can at Arrowhead Stadium. Chargers Huddle daily newsletter Sign up for our daily San Diego Chargers newsletter to get the latest news and analysis on the team from The San Diego Union-Tribune and from around the country. The best Chargers reporting, delivered to your inbox every day by 7 a.m. Don't miss out. Enter Email Submit The Chiefs are 1-5. Kansas Citians have another team to cheer, the Royals, who are on the verge of making it two World Series trips in two years. Missouri has gone from red state to blue state. So, even with a talented defense, it looks like the Chiefs’ streak of playoff futility will stretch for another year. The Chiefs last won a playoff game after the 1993 season. Montana was their quarterback. He led them past the Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston, then known as the Oilers. Then came the AFC Championhip Game in frigid Buffalo. Twelve degrees, wind chill. Montana looked older than his 37 years and the Bills pasted him and the Chiefs, 30-13. The Chiefs haven’t gone back to the AFC title game. They’ve not won any playoff games. It can be done, but probably won’t until they get a snappier quarterback who can pile up all those yards and points that are there to be got every Sunday.
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