|
02-25-2022, 08:57 AM | #61 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
Casino cash: $646403
|
Quote:
The only real concern would be Atlanta being willing to let Jones go, especially with Oluokun being a free agent they can't afford. In part 2, I'd be most inclined to go Ojabo. I guess it depends on what else I had for DEs. That said, I'm not all that concerned with run defending DEs as much as I am guys that can get to the QB in today's NFL. |
|
Posts: 12,722
|
02-25-2022, 10:09 AM | #62 | |
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $270308
|
Quote:
I'm just hesitant to splash a bunch of cash on an off-ball LB. You and I see that differently fairly consistently, so no surprise there. I'd pick Ojabo at that spot, too. Though there's now apparently a small chance Thibodeaux slides a bit. That would be a coup. It's a fun exercise. I'm going to take a stab at it.
__________________
"You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra |
|
Posts: 21,435
|
02-25-2022, 01:36 PM | #63 |
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $270308
|
So, I took a run at this, re-working the structure based loosely on crow's approach.
Trade: WR Tyreek Hill to Atlanta for WR Calvin Ridley, 2022 #8, 2022 #72. Cut Frank Clark (pre-June 1); Restructure Mahomes and Kelce. End up with $57M in cap space from those moves. Re-sign in Free agency: LT O. Brown, Jr. (6y $135m w/ $52m guaranteed, 6th year is basically a void year with $6M guaranteed on a big salary - 1st y 11M) CB Charvarious Ward (5y, $84M, 1st y 8M) WR B. Pringle (Vet Min Cap Benefit + $1.25m) DE Melvin Ingram (2 years, $10M) ERFA tender TE J. Fortson, RB D. Gore, and CB D. Baker. Vet Minimum deals: FB M. Burton, OL A. Blythe, OL Andrew Wylie, LB B. Niemann, LB D. O'Daniel, SS A. Watts, RB J. McKinnon With this group, I'm bringing back a lot of certainty. I'm fine tacking on the extra year for Ward to spread the bonus out a bit more and increase his guarantee to make that happen. Open Free Agency: WR D.J. Chark (4 years, $50M, $7M year 1 hit) DT Maliek Collins (2 years, $11M) vet QB (1 year/$2M) DE Charles Harris (3 years, $21M) S Marcus Maye (1 year, $4M, with incentives to $12M based on playing time, performance) OK, I went a little different direction here, still adding a dynamic WR who could ascend and a solid vetern DT in Collins. Harris is a young pass rusher who finally seemed to deliver on his 1st round talent in 21. Maye is on a prove-it deal. Draft: 1.8 - Travon Walker, DE, Georgia 1.30 - Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia 2.62 - Jalen Pitre, DB, Baylor 3.72 - Alec Pierce, WR, Cincinnati 3.94 - Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss 3.103 - James Cook, RB, Georgia 4.132 - Sterling Weatherford, LB/S, Miami (OH) 7.229 - Kyle Phillips, WR, UCLA 7.238 - Nick Ford, IOL, Utah 7.239 - Danny Gray, WR, SMU 7.247 - McKinley Williams, LB, Arkansas 7.254 - Zamir White, HB, Georgia A few comments here: I've seen Walker's stock all over the place, but his combination of size and freakish athleticism made him my best option at 8. (OK, I tossed a coin between him and Ojabo. For real). My next two picks mirror crows... a future stud at DT, and a do-everything DB who can help fill the Mathieu void. I would love getting someone with Williams' upside in the 3rd like this, and with the depth I have added so far, he can basically play rush end and take advantage of his freakish athletic ability. Pierce and Cook add some versatility and speed to the offense. Pierce could be a really strong long-term piece and good complement to Ridley. Cook's speed and receiving ability make him my future at RB. Weatherford is another new name for me, but he popped up at the Senior Bowl and played well as a LB (converted S with LB size). Rest of the picks are BPA types, though I think Phillips could have pop up in a big way. Depth Chart QB Mahomes/vet RB Edwards-Helaire/McKinnon or Cook WR1 Ridley/Pringle WR2 Chark/Pierce WR3 Hardman/Phillips TE Kelce/Gray LT Brown/Prince LG Thuney/Allegretti C Humphrey/Blythe RG Trey Smith/Ford RT Wylie/Niang RDE Harris/Sam Williams DT Collins/Wyatt or Saunders DT Jones/Wharton LDE Ingram/Travon Walker LB Gay/Niemann LB Bolton/Niemann LB Sterling Weatherford OCB Ward OCB Sneed NCB Fenton or Pitre (Sneed actually slides to nickel in this set) FS Thornhill/Maye SS Pitre/Maye/Weatherford All in all, looking at that, I don't like it as much as making things happen with keeping Hill. But I do think it is something KC could roll with. Kelce/Ridley/Chark/Hardman/Pierce give the Chiefs a wealth of receiving options.
__________________
"You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra |
Posts: 21,435
|
02-27-2022, 09:51 PM | #64 |
Most Valuable Villain
Join Date: Dec 2006
Casino cash: $2555047
|
I would hate to see Hill traded but with Ridley, Chark, Hardman, Pierce and Pringle….you’re not suffering a ton at the WR position.
|
Posts: 92,316
|
03-01-2022, 11:09 AM | #65 |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $1539099
|
Woah!
When did Jones get THAT contract? And why? Jones was pretty much awful last year. I'd rather not have him than have him at those cap figures. That's nasty.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags." |
Posts: 62,395
|
03-01-2022, 09:45 PM | #66 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
Casino cash: $646403
|
Quote:
He signed it 3 years ago. |
|
Posts: 12,722
|
03-02-2022, 03:19 PM | #67 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $1539099
|
Quote:
He lost a step this year (after losing one last year as well) so many of those tackles came as a result of a guy catching a ball that would've been knocked away or not even thrown in seasons past. He's declining quickly, IMO.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags." |
|
Posts: 62,395
|
03-23-2022, 11:42 AM | #68 | |
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2019
Casino cash: $5920400
|
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 1
|
03-23-2022, 11:57 AM | #69 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
Casino cash: $646403
|
Quote:
15 and 83 would have been 1225 points 29, 50, 121, and a future 4th and 6th worth about 1120. Trying to normalize the values: Let's say you traded 83 and 62, gets you to 45. Vs If the Chiefs traded 29, 62, and 121 it would be worth 17. So that puts you at 15 and 45 vs 17 and 50. I'm not overly disappointed in that, honestly. |
|
Posts: 12,722
|
03-23-2022, 11:58 AM | #70 |
MVP
Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
Casino cash: $804910
|
I probably wouldn't have.
But since they did, I can get onboard with the logic. This is a really nice draft to have a bunch of picks in. Let's roll. |
Posts: 17,802
|
0 1 |
03-23-2022, 02:40 PM | #71 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2018
Casino cash: $2780400
|
Quote:
The lounge thread is moving faster than I can read it, pretty much. Curious to hear the non crybaby thoughts. When you say you're not dissappointed above, did you mean in the compensation for Tyreek or in how close your estimate was? For me, its a tiny bit dissappointing to not get that real high 1 like I hoped for, but its a pretty good haul of picks to work with, I never would have thought 6 picks was possible. My thought process on a trade like this was always that Hill's production was reproducable, but I think you need to add a veteran free agent WR - I wish this was done sooner so there were more options. You probably want 4 above average weapons to work with, and you have 2 currently (I am calling Juju above average). One in the draft, one signed to a multi year deal now to make 4 and I am pretty happy with the offenses potential still. Who would you add, of the WRs available? |
|
Posts: 2,354
|
03-23-2022, 03:20 PM | #72 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
Casino cash: $646403
|
Quote:
Good on you, by the way, to have brought this up. I can't say I would have fathomed the possibility if not recalling what you wrote up and thinking about it with the pending contract and value of WRs getting so high. I think KC has to add another vet in free agency. I don't know if that guy needs to be starter material but I'd highly prefer it. That said, there are not many options out there screaming at me. If I had a preference, it'd be Will Fuller. I remember him calling out the Chiefs to draft him. I think he'd be a nice piece that could man the Z and keep Mecole in the slot. I wouldn't mind Odell on a 1-year deal either. I still like some other guys out there but I see them more as depth plays. Tre'Quan Smith is one. I don't know if I'd give much up in a trade for anyone out there. A future 5th for Laviska Shenault? Sure. Maybe our late 4th, certainly not 121. As for the draft, I'd probably look hard at the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round guys and take 2. Not sure I'd look at anyone in the 1st unless Olave fell within a decent striking range. If KC moves up though, I'd rather it be for an edge guy. Might put a mock together later just for fun. |
|
Posts: 12,722
|
1 0 |
03-27-2022, 08:20 PM | #73 |
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2008
Casino cash: $5936719
|
Reading back through this is pretty amazing. Well done, kccrow. You had a good idea of what veach might be thinking. I would have preferred to wait one more to trade hill but I get it. Really impressive analysis on our system and how it fits with PM and wrs and how hill could be traded. Let’s hope we nail the draft and build up the roster.
|
Posts: 2,384
|
1 0 |
03-30-2022, 10:50 AM | #74 | |
MVP
Join Date: Jan 2015
Casino cash: $2113065
|
Quote:
Last edited by Couch-Potato; 03-30-2022 at 11:01 AM.. |
|
Posts: 6,519
|
03-30-2022, 10:52 AM | #75 |
'Tis my eye!
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $10209900
|
|
Posts: 100,057
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|