Could Sean Peyton wind up in AZ?

[scho63]

The pressure to fire Kingsbury is sky high. Kyler Murray has talent, no doubt.

If I had to go somewhere as a coach like Peyton, AZ could be a real interesting place.

He could definitely handle Murray as well as anyone.

**** Denver and that mess. Colts ownership too fickle. Dallas possible if they get bounced in 1st game from playoffs, Jerry could toss McCarthy.

Where do you see him going?

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The best fit for AZ is someone like the broncos DC. Sell high on guys like Hopkins. Scrap the idea of being an offensive team. Build around the running game and turn Kyler into Lamar. And then build a great defense. In a weak nfc you could do worse. But first you have to give up the idea that the cards run through Kyler instead of running around him.

Kyler can’t stay healthy doing what he does now. No way he can do what Lamar does.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And what did people say about Andy Reid?

As good as Brees was he was also horrible in weather. Which made road playoff games particularly difficult. To his credit his team was really good across eras. Defense, offense always adjusted to the times. He’s not a mike mccarthy that got exposed with time.

Our coach is way better but Payton is still a hell of a coach.

QBs make coaches look smarter. Reid was a good regular season coach who became a playoff winner after Mahomes became starter. Peyton Manning took three different coaches to a Super Bowl (all defensive minded head coaches). I've never seen the big deal with Sean Payton. I suppose he wasn't as bad as McCarthy though, like you said.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Kyler can’t stay healthy doing what he does now. No way he can do what Lamar does.

My point isn’t to build your offense around Kyler. It’s to hide him in the background. Whoever coaches him is stuck with him. Throwing less passes is one way to keep him healthier. Get rid of their stud receivers, invest in the running game and defense. Maybe Lamar is a bad example, but he could do ok in an offense like Cleveland’s (when stefanski isn’t an idiot and actually runs the ball repeatedly). Not great but passable enough to make the next few years less miserable.

[scho63]

A lot of talking heads all say Kyler has tons of talent. He can throw fine, needs to run much less.

I think Peyton can set him on a better course.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I really hope he goes to Denver.

Be careful for what you wish for. I don't know why some folks think Denver is such a bad place to land for Sean. Top 10 defense. Great 2ndary. Great WRs. Sean could easily accommodate a Russell Wilson offense for him. Russell in all his years in Seattle was never in a WC offense guy which is "precise timing routes". That is all Hackett knew and why Russell struggled to embrace it. Hackett was not ready for prime time that's for sure. IMHO IF Sean took the Denver job he could get things turned around pretty quickly. Just saying.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by scho63

A lot of talking heads all say Kyler has tons of talent. He can throw fine, needs to run much less.

I think Peyton can set him on a better course.

Kyler will NEVER be a student of the game. He proved it again this season even after getting called out in signing his new contract extension(more film study required). He is just one of those guys that "ain't gonna do it" but just go through the motions for the brass. He is NOT a leader IMHO.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Be careful for what you wish for. I don't know why some folks think Denver is such a bad place to land for Sean. Top 10 defense. Great 2ndary. Great WRs. Sean could easily accommodate a Russell Wilson offense for him. Russell in all his years in Seattle was never in a WC offense which is "precise timing routes". That is all Hackett knew and why Russell struggled to embrace it. Hackett was not ready for prime time that's for sure. IMHO IF Sean took the Denver job he could get things turned around pretty quickly. Just saying.

Because Russell is old and the one quality that made him dangerous, his legs to extend plays, are no longer a weapon. And he’s going to get older. And older.

Because once Wilson’s contract really kicks in you now have $50m less to spend on support players.

Because the only way to make this work is either let Russell be Russell and piss off every teammate. Or force him to get in line which probably gets you in a deshaun Watson situation where you pay $50m to a guy who will sulk and drain and pout for 4 years. No coach is fixing that.

And not only do you not have draft picks because you traded for russell. You lose even more picks trading for Payton.

It’s a disaster.

[FloridaMan88]

Kingsbury looks miserable…

Arizona Cardinals head coach Kliff Kingsbury doesn’t know the details on Kyler Murray’s knee surgery. NBC reports K1 will undergo surgery January 3rd. pic.twitter.com/fddk1agCnd

— Bo Brack (@BoBrack) December 26, 2022

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because Russell is old and the one quality that made him dangerous, his legs to extend plays, are no longer a weapon. And he’s going to get older. And older.

Because once Wilson’s contract really kicks in you now have $50m less to spend on support players.

Because the only way to make this work is either let Russell be Russell and piss off every teammate. Or force him to get in line which probably gets you in a deshaun Watson situation where you pay $50m to a guy who will sulk and drain and pout for 4 years. No coach is fixing that.

And not only do you not have draft picks because you traded for russell. You lose even more picks trading for Payton.

It’s a disaster.

You make a very valid point in the draft picks lost BUT it is a QB driven league and Russell's problem is not his legs because he still has them IMHO. But no coach worth his salt is going to want to go to a team with no QB. I think Sean would relish working with Wilson and set him up with an offense that best suits him. Wilson and Brees are very similar QBs. Both are short with big arms that can scramble. Wilson not only had no WC timing experience BUT even worse he knew Hackett was in over his head and Wilson had no confidence in him. Now with that being sad, Wilson made the mistake of thinking everything was just going to come together very easily and it didn't for various reasons, one big one of which not working with WRs in the offseason prior and absolutely no pre-season play.

[Rainbarrel]

McDonald's House will be nice for Mr & Mrs Murray

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Kingsbury looks miserable…

Yeah, he and McVay are really unfortunate guys.......oh wait.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Ugh, I can’t say I agree. He reeks of early kirk cousins to me. he throws a beautiful accurate ball but that’s about all you can say. For as nice of an arm as he has he doesn’t make nearly enough big throws and he is slow as molasses so he’s not going to bail himself out if he doesn’t see it.

Accuracy is what he's known for and so was Drew. It's the thing I would covet most in a young QB.

I can live without the deep ball give me accuracy all day.

Unless you have Mahomes, of course.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Accuracy is what he's known for and so was Drew. It's the thing I would covet most in a young QB.

I can live without the deep ball give me accuracy all day.

Unless you have Mahomes, of course.

But for a guy who can make a lot of the throws he just doesn’t. He’s a bigger arm alex smith but with no mobility. I’ve seen a lot of him and just am not impressed. He gets stumped by good defenses and is incredibly safe. I just don’t think he’s going to come close to matching the incredible football iq of a drew Bree’s. His upside feels way more Kirk cousins and I think more than likely he’s Byron leftwich.

[Kiimo]

I mean, ok, but a lot of QBs get the "not impressed" based on in-game play. Herbert, Mahomes, Josh Allen.

He clearly needs to study the game but with a coach like Payton, which was my point, I think he could shine.

Byron Leftwich? Yeah I don't see that.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

I think the Texans make the most sense all-around. They have gone through the worst from the rebuilding phase and now have a pretty clean slate with a young roster of a few really solid pieces (Stingley, Pitre, young OL, Pierce) with the first overall pick to build however you’d like or get the QB you like. I think the second first would need to be traded to acquire Payton but there is still a strong haul of assets going forward from all the moves Caserio made. He came in and did the dirty work and got through the ugly phase, and now Payton can build how he wants and get all the praise for turning them into a winner.

Warm weather, full control, long-term job security, and young roster to build and mold. Think it’s a shoo-in honestly, especially with the other options on the market. Arizona is a few years away from what the Texans are coming out of. Dallas is a main contender in my eyes. Panthers would have a lot to pay to pry him from Nola.