Offseason Changes and/or concerns about tonight’s game.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

It would be great to see Patrick play with a legit Running back. When tonight happens they can hand it off.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

It would be great to see Patrick play with a legit Running back. When tonight happens they can hand it off.

We were really going to have to commit to it to have success and we were clearly never doing that.

Now, it would likely have prevented 21 pts and been a much better strategy...

[Rexx]

The Oline has talent, just seems like they underperform consistently...I'd look to replace Heck for starters.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Rexx

The Oline has talent, just seems like they underperform consistently...I'd look to replace Heck for starters.

Yeah OLine coach has to go for sure after this one, worst performance ever by an OLine in the Superbowl?

[redshirt32]

We might lose Andy in a year or two Kelce who knows

They tried to patch the the team up with old vetrans, it might be min before we get back still a hela run after the last 50 years.

[crayzkirk]

I don't understand how teams are able to build dominant lines while drafting fairly high. Yes, the Eagles had a somewhat down year last year however the year before, they were the runner up. Somehow, they were able to rebuild both lines, acquire Barkley and pay everyone.

Someone please explain it to me because this isn't supposed to be possible. The Chiefs have invested a tone of money in free agency and it seems like a poor choice. I like Chris Hones however he's an aging player that is costing a lot of money. Unfortunately, I see the Chiefs having a lot of cap issues moving forward.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

I don't understand how teams are able to build dominant lines while drafting fairly high. Yes, the Eagles had a somewhat down year last year however the year before, they were the runner up. Somehow, they were able to rebuild both lines, acquire Barkley and pay everyone.

Someone please explain it to me because this isn't supposed to be possible. The Chiefs have invested a tone of money in free agency and it seems like a poor choice. I like Chris Hones however he's an aging player that is costing a lot of money. Unfortunately, I see the Chiefs having a lot of cap issues moving forward.

Draft well. That's it.

We've done it. So has Philly.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Draft well. That's it.

We've done it. So has Philly.

Yeah, no….

Devontae smith was drafted by the eagles and got a 75/3 year extension in 2024.

AJ brown their #1 they traded for from the titans.

They paid to get Barkley in a year when everyone thought/said rbs mean shit.

Jalen signed a 250 million dollar extension in 2023 through 2028.



Their defense raped us. With a 10 foot pole. Your explanation on paying players doesn’t mean shit.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

I don't understand how teams are able to build dominant lines while drafting fairly high. Yes, the Eagles had a somewhat down year last year however the year before, they were the runner up. Somehow, they were able to rebuild both lines, acquire Barkley and pay everyone.

Someone please explain it to me because this isn't supposed to be possible. The Chiefs have invested a tone of money in free agency and it seems like a poor choice. I like Chris Hones however he's an aging player that is costing a lot of money. Unfortunately, I see the Chiefs having a lot of cap issues moving forward.

Eagles really haven't done anything wild. Their LT is a 7th round pick. LG and C are 2nd rounders. Becton at RG was a 1st rounder for the Jets but Philly signed him for less than $3 million this year. Lane Johnson at RT was drafted by Chip Kelly so that tells you how long they've had him.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by tk13

Eagles really haven't done anything wild. Their LT is a 7th round pick. LG and C are 2nd rounders. Becton at RG was a 1st rounder for the Jets but Philly signed him for less than $3 million this year. Lane Johnson at RT was drafted by Chip Kelly so that tells you how long they've had him.

Interesting, the Chiefs has spent a lot of money on their OL and it looked bad at every position tonight. Yet the Eagles are able to build a dominant OL that gave Hurts time. So, it's scouting and coaching?

So frustrating to watch a team rush 4 and get instant pressure. I was expecting the Chiefs to chip with a TE to slow the rush however it never happened.

Never even tried to run when it was clear the OL was struggling in pass blocking.

The Chiefs really over-achieved this year, as difficult as it will be to watch, I believe they really need a couple of down years to get some better picks and get the underachieving players off the roster.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

I don't understand how teams are able to build dominant lines while drafting fairly high. Yes, the Eagles had a somewhat down year last year however the year before, they were the runner up. Somehow, they were able to rebuild both lines, acquire Barkley and pay everyone.

Someone please explain it to me because this isn't supposed to be possible. The Chiefs have invested a tone of money in free agency and it seems like a poor choice. I like Chris Hones however he's an aging player that is costing a lot of money. Unfortunately, I see the Chiefs having a lot of cap issues moving forward.

A good amount of Philly's team didn't come from the bottom of rounds of drafting as KC has endured for the past 6 years of picking 30-32.

This is their last 6 years, most of which are mid-round or higher picks...

2020 - 21st overall, took Jaelen Reagor
2021 - 6th overall, traded down to Miami for 12th overall and got a 1st in 2022 as part of that trade. They traded up from 12 to 10 with Dallas to take DeVonta Smith.
2022 - 15th overall from Miami from 2021 trade, 16th overall from Colts from trade of Wentz, and 19th overall. they traded up from 15th overall to 13th to get Jordan Davis. They sent 16 and 19 to the Saints for 18 and a 2023 1st and 2024 2nd. They traded that 18 to the Titans for AJ Brown
2023 - 10th overall from Saints and 30th overall. They traded 10 to the Bears at #9 to move up and get Jalen Carter. They took Nolan Smith at 30.
2024 - 22nd overall. They took Quinyon Mitchell

Their offensive line isn't a product of a bunch of #1 picks either...

They drafted Lane Johnson in the 1st in 2013 but Jurgens and Dickerson came from the 2nd round, Becton was a FA, and Mailata came from the 7th round. Dickerson was a high 2nd in the 2021 draft, the year after they sucked and got the 6th overall pick. Getting really lucky with Mailata makes a lot of issues go away.


Howie has been aggressive with some contracts and some free agents but has had much better draft capital than Veach to work with.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by kccrow

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Howie has been aggressive with some contracts and some free agents but has had much better draft capital than Veach to work with.

This is why I’ve been kicking the idea around of trading away one of the ascending players.

We’ve made a lot of those small moves that have lost late picks, so Veach has fewer and fewer lottery tickets in the draft.

At some point, the Chiefs need another 2022 draft that’s loaded with picks. That only happens through trading a Tyreek Hill and moving down when appropriate.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by kccrow

A good amount of Philly's team didn't come from the bottom of rounds of drafting as KC has endured for the past 6 years of picking 30-32.

This is their last 6 years, most of which are mid-round or higher picks...

2020 - 21st overall, took Jaelen Reagor
2021 - 6th overall, traded down to Miami for 12th overall and got a 1st in 2022 as part of that trade. They traded up from 12 to 10 with Dallas to take DeVonta Smith.
2022 - 15th overall from Miami from 2021 trade, 16th overall from Colts from trade of Wentz, and 19th overall. they traded up from 15th overall to 13th to get Jordan Davis. They sent 16 and 19 to the Saints for 18 and a 2023 1st and 2024 2nd. They traded that 18 to the Titans for AJ Brown
2023 - 10th overall from Saints and 30th overall. They traded 10 to the Bears at #9 to move up and get Jalen Carter. They took Nolan Smith at 30.
2024 - 22nd overall. They took Quinyon Mitchell

Their offensive line isn't a product of a bunch of #1 picks either...

They drafted Lane Johnson in the 1st in 2013 but Jurgens and Dickerson came from the 2nd round, Becton was a FA, and Mailata came from the 7th round. Dickerson was a high 2nd in the 2021 draft, the year after they sucked and got the 6th overall pick. Getting really lucky with Mailata makes a lot of issues go away.


Howie has been aggressive with some contracts and some free agents but has had much better draft capital than Veach to work with.

Thanks for the information, unfortunately for the Chiefs, this is how the NFL is supposed to work. Sustained success leads to less quality players in the draft.

When draft capital becomes so valuable, mistakes like Clyde, Skyy, etc. can really set a team back.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

I don't understand how teams are able to build dominant lines while drafting fairly high. Yes, the Eagles had a somewhat down year last year however the year before, they were the runner up. Somehow, they were able to rebuild both lines, acquire Barkley and pay everyone.

Someone please explain it to me because this isn't supposed to be possible. The Chiefs have invested a tone of money in free agency and it seems like a poor choice. I like Chris Hones however he's an aging player that is costing a lot of money. Unfortunately, I see the Chiefs having a lot of cap issues moving forward.

It’s possible to draft good IOL in the 2nd and 3rd round if you scout well. The Eagles did that.

Their stud RT is the same age as Eric Fisher and was drafted in the top 5 of his draft.

They hit an absolute home run longshot with Jordan Mailata at LT.

Much easier to fortify an OL that is strong at the T spot than to make the T spot a strength.

Philly also benefited from Jalen Carter sliding because of his bad behavior. And drafted well on top of that.

Their front office + owner combo is top notch, too.

Their owner also splashes more cash around.

[RunKC]

This team had the least explosive RB plays in the entire league. Only 17 explosive plays of 10+ yards.

It makes the QB and OL’s job significantly harder when the team is completely one dimensional bc the defense doesn’t fear our running game.

A dynamic stud RB would 100% help everybody