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Old 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM  
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Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+
I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:55 PM   #736
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Understandable.

My question is while i'm not excited about the moves Pioli has made if you think about it this way. Since this time last year Pioli has added Chambers, Jones, Lilja, Berry, McCluster and Asamoah. I would say thats a significant upgrade in talent despite totally sucking year one.


Also Weis and Crennel.
And I've given him credit for the moves I think he deserves credit for.

Chambers fell into his lap. I'm not going to give him credit for picking a guy up on waivers because the two teams ahead of him passed. It was a no-brainer and worked out for 2009. I personally don't expect the same level of production in 2010, but I hope I'm wrong.

TJ was a good signing for the money. But he's not a long-term solution.

I hope the Lilja signing works out, but I'm concerned about his knees, and that we're apparently going to play him out of position.

I've done nothing but praise the selections of Berry an Asomoah all weekend.

You know where I stand on McCluster.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:58 PM   #737
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And I've given him credit for the moves I think he deserves credit for.

Chambers fell into his lap. I'm not going to give him credit for picking a guy up on waivers because the two teams ahead of him passed. It was a no-brainer and worked out for 2009. I personally don't expect the same level of production in 2010, but I hope I'm wrong.

TJ was a good signing for the money. But he's not a long-term solution.

I hope the Lilja signing works out, but I'm concerned about his knees, and that we're apparently going to play him out of position.

I've done nothing but praise the selections of Berry an Asomoah all weekend.

You know where I stand on McCluster.
I also think Jackson will improve this year and be a decent player. Certainly not worth the third overall pick but will help the defense in the run game. The point i'm trying to make is I don't think Pioli is as bad as some of us make him out to be and he's not as good as some think.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:58 PM   #738
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Again, I was correct with my post. You keep overlooking that. You also ignore that the thread pattern continued after that:









That's where that line of posting has ended, at least for now, in that thread. Not where you finished it in a stupid attempt to make it look as if I was backing away.

Then again, given that it's you, I'm sure that's a surprise to nobody that you'd pull such a pathetic stunt.
You did back away, and it doesn't surprise me that you think you're right.

As much of Pioli's man juice as you've swallowed, I can understand why you'd defend him (or poorly attempt to) at all costs.

Two years in, and with one of the easiest schedules in recent memory, there's no reason not to win 8 games.

You just want to make excuses for when it doesn't happen. Gotta protect your boy.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:59 PM   #739
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Your probably right because I get on here so infrequently that i mix your posts up with ROR. Sorry my bad.
Fair enough.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:01 PM   #740
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You read any thread that I posted and I don't care..This place doesn't define me at all....It does you though .......I'm here because I'm a NFL/Chief Fan and that's it. Hey I've posted ridiculous posts more then once but I always knew what it was.......I don't think you got that game. I could be wrong.....but even if I am ...well Fuk you! Got It.....


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Old 04-25-2010, 11:02 PM   #741
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Baltimore has never had the QB to beat Brady, Manning or Big Ben. That has been their biggest problem this decade. Plenty of talent but not at the most important position.
Right.

But whether it's Grbac, Boller, Troy Smith or even Flacco, they've been unable to get over the hump.

Flacco, IMO, is becoming more and more like Cassel each and every day.

Give him four first round offensive lineman, a first round RB, bring in Boldin and Stallworth, then hope he produces.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:05 PM   #742
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:07 PM   #743
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Go have another drink Phil, and make sure you duck this time when the wife goes for the haymaker.
Yeah I wish I'd never posted that exchange...My bad and nobody elses....So what's your point? You don't have one...you're just an internet ...not even tough guy...but a pussy....got it...boy..eeee.! Fuk you pussy!

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Old 04-25-2010, 11:09 PM   #744
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Sorry, JPB. Mowing the "yard"--biggie, such is life in the country--trumped all this afternoon.
No worries. Life happens. I understand that. OTW just wanted to use it to twist things. That's the kind of asshole he seems to be.

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It's accepted by the vast majority of this board that Pioli glaringly underperformed in his first year on the job. Some have decided to provide him with an "evaluation year."
It's a silly notion, regardless of whether the "vast majority" has come to that conclusion. I pointed out that this is what would quite possibly happen very early on in my tenure here. The problem is that you, as Chiefs fans, are so immersed in the team that you can't see just how much of a trainwreck you really had here. As bad as you thought it was, it was even worse when looking from the outside.

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I have not. I think that's a bullshit mulligan. We paid for the best, so I expect for him to live up to the hype.
That's an even sillier notion. He came in late, had to use scouts who'd been looking for 4-3 prospects when he wanted to run a 3-4, got the late batch of coaching choices, was stuck with a pick that he didn't want and couldn't move, and had to get rid of shitheads like LJ. Frankly, if you want to find a place to kill Pioli, I'd start there. Keeping LJ when he had the chance to dump his ass for free was a huge mistake, and I stated my opinion to that effect at the time.

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As I've stated, I think the notion that the team he inherited was devoid of talent gets WAY overplayed on this site. It's simply not true. He had some very important pieces in place: LT, WR, DT, CB, RB (which was, admittedly, a bit of a surprise).
It wasn't overplayed at all. Hell, even the positions your claiming were in place clearly demonstrated that they were not. The DT position, which was for a 4-3 as opposed to a 3-4, was a position of much struggle in 2008. How that's supposed to be "in place" is a mystery for the ages. As for WR, when the guy shows up 20+ pounds heavy, is lazy and gets suspended, I don't see how that's really fitting the notion of being in place.

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In short, he had a VERY young team, with significant resources devoted to a 43 scheme. Pioli scrapped the entire project. Fine. But he needed to be right.
No such significant resources existed.

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After turning over a significant portion of the roster, he yielded surprisingly paltry results. Oh, meanwhile bringing in the albatross known as Matt Cassel.
He doubled the win total after trading away the only known true "threat" the team had on offense and converting the defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4. That's only paltry if you're looking for reasons to complain. As for Cassel, I love how you all have thrown him away after a season in which the offense sucked like Mega Maid around him for much of the season.

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From where we were in Jan. '09, I think expecting to make a playoff run (note: just playoffs, not SB) in '11 would have been perfectly reasonable. And I'm holding to that position.
I've already demonstrated how ridiculous your position is. Rehashing it will be a waste of time, because your argument isn't rational.

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If you want to ride into town and prove to everyone how smart you are, talking big and instituting the secret society Midwest, that's fine. Just be right and get results. And I want to hold our GM to this standard.
Yes, you want to hold your GM to a standard that hasn't been met in over a decade, and to call anything less incompetence. That's ridiculous on your part. Now, suddenly, you're downgrading to "playoffs", after you used to make fun of those who'd have been happy with 8-8 or first round of the playoffs. That should make you re-think your positions, but it probably won't.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:10 PM   #745
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Honestly, I'm not going anywhere. I'm a Chief for life. But it's frustrating as ****. And while everyone piles on OTW and Hamas, I can totally relate to being so passionate about this team that my blood boils sometimes. The only difference between us is I say **** it and don't click submit, but they usually do. I won't fault them for that. And I'm not saying you are, I'm just sayin'.
Totally understandable. Me too.

This is no offense to any of them, they're critical posters but can't say I blame them. Hamas, OTW and even Dane they express truth when it comes to this team, but it's the truth part that is hard to swallow. I try to look at the bright side of this team, not saying they're negative or anything, but they're willing to detect the flaws of this team from the inside out and give their takes. I can respect that because it enables me to see things differently coming from their point of view. Hey, each have there own approach right? But thats the planet and thats what makes it great is different peoples thoughts, opinions and personalities.

I give them credit for just letting it out and expressing their thoughts and frustration. A lot of what they say relates to why this team has failed over the years. They may not be right all the time, but at times I can see how they are. So I could get what they're saying from time to time. Don't get me wrong, Im not trying to kiss butt, lol just saying things the way I see it.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:10 PM   #746
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it amazes me how butthurt some people get just because they think NFL draft sites are legitimate sources
Personally, I think they're horseshit.

From Don Banks and Peter King at SI (both of whom I enjoy their normal insight) to douche****s like Walter or Scott Wright, they're a bunch of Mel Kiper wannabe's.

I've said for years that Walter is a ****ing dumbass and Scott Wright proved to me this year (because I went on his "supposed" chat), that he's as ****ing dumb as the granite countertops in which my laptop currently lies.

It's hilarious to me that guys like Mecca, with his absolutes, passive-aggressive bullshit and never-wrong attitude, treat these sites like the ****ing Dead Sea Scrolls.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:11 PM   #747
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Right.

But whether it's Grbac, Boller, Troy Smith or even Flacco, they've been unable to get over the hump.

Flacco, IMO, is becoming more and more like Cassel each and every day.

Give him four first round offensive lineman, a first round RB, bring in Boldin and Stallworth, then hope he produces.
Thats their fatal flaw no doubt about it. I agree about Flacco as well.
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You did back away, and it doesn't surprise me that you think you're right.

As much of Pioli's man juice as you've swallowed, I can understand why you'd defend him (or poorly attempt to) at all costs.

Two years in, and with one of the easiest schedules in recent memory, there's no reason not to win 8 games.

You just want to make excuses for when it doesn't happen. Gotta protect your boy.
I didn't back away, and Deez just apologized out of courtesy, despite his having done nothing wrong. You really are an idiot. Do you have to mark your shoes "left" and "right"?
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:17 PM   #749
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I didn't back away, and Deez just apologized out of courtesy. You really are an idiot. Do you have to mark your shoes "left" and "right"?
He apologized for mowing the lawn, dumbass. He wasn't conceding to you, you ****ing dolt.

All you've done is make excuses and claimed you've won the argument.

You're a delusional troll.
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Right.

But whether it's Grbac, Boller, Troy Smith or even Flacco, they've been unable to get over the hump.

Flacco, IMO, is becoming more and more like Cassel each and every day.

Give him four first round offensive lineman, a first round RB, bring in Boldin and Stallworth, then hope he produces.
Damn, never seen anybody put it like that...weird thing is that its kind of true.
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