This is how the NFL rigs games

[rabblerouser]

The refs really showed out for the Bungles today.

**** the NFL.

[redfan]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I'm in this camp

Me too, I think it's fairly apparent the games are at times taken over by the refs. To what end, who knows? But a penalty is a penalty until it isn't. Seems there's a lot of room for "interpretation".

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I'm in this camp

Me as well.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, but you once again ignored the entire point of the post to vaguely say "just watch the game", instead of explaining how you believe games are rigged.

Steered, manipulated, whatever.

The refs flagged the Bengals back into the game, and they flagged us to get our defense on the field.

It's easy.

They wear those earpieces in their ears and have the 'eye in the sky', but it's goddamn amazing how none of that mattered on Sunday, isn't it?

Remember when, who was it, the Cleveland coach who shoved a Chiefs player and they called in from New York? Stopped the ****ing game to get it right?

How they gonna let the Bengals false start twice and once let it be Encroachment on us and just let the other go entirely?

Come on, maaaaaaan...

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by redhed

Me too, I think it's fairly apparent the games are at times taken over by the refs. To what end, who knows? But a penalty is a penalty until it isn't. Seems there's a lot of room for "interpretation".

And NO ONE is allowed to critique or question to even get a clarification.

Reid just goes "can't comment, get fined." Tomlin, too. It's absolutely ridiculous.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by notorious

The line really moved 2 1/2?

Yup.

No one wants to pay attention to that.

Bearcat and Dartgod would rather be pricks than to address it.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Why is everybody scared to say RIGGED?!! It was ****ing RIGGED! Also, I see nobody wants to touch the other elephant in the room but that's cool.

What's the other elephant in the room?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

EXACTLY. Sounds like you've finally come to your senses, Bearcat.

It's a fair bit more likely that those replaced refs just weren't riggy enough than they contracted omicron or had flights canceled as a result of it.

Then why did the line change Scott?

[arrwheader]

Replacement crew last minute fine but what's the explanation? They don't give one...

I am in the camp of the influence games and it doesn't always work out but they try.

Bad calls went one way and they flagged the Chiefs D into losing. That's fact. They also missed false start at the end it was blatant. I don' think you can just say they were just bad. They definitely pushed the Bengals to win. It was completely 1 sided. Thats a problem.

I just want more transparency and more accountability of the Refs. They should at least have to explain when they call one sided games or something. Some kind of way to hold them accountable.

It would be so easy to do and to improve the process but they don't do it. Until they do there are always going to be these questions and rightfully so.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Yup.

No one wants to pay attention to that.

Bearcat and Dartgod would rather be pricks than to address it.

Again, where was I being a prick? I asked a question that you refused to answer. Until you dismissed as the NFL just having fun. I reviewed all of my posts in this thread and until today, there was nothing "prickish" about my posts. Just asking questions.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by crispystl

What's the other elephant in the room?

Oh, he'll be playing the race card anytime now. He always does.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Then why did the line change Scott?

So, a few things:
1. I don't know how to track the line and don't know its normal volatility. Are you able to provide a day-by-day line so we can see what it was doing throughout the week? And what is normal throughout the season in betting lines?
2. When was it announced to the public that the refs were being changed?
3. Where there any other developments around the time of the announcement?

I can't really comment on that before you provide me with 1/ and 2/ (and if you can't provide those, then I can't give you an informed answer).

But assuming you are correct and the line changed the day that the announcement was made, one could chalk it up to pure randomness (hence, need to see the normal line volatility) OR there could be a lot of people out there like you and BlackOp that see a replacement crew and infer that the fix is in.

Correlation need not equal causation here.

[straycash]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Oh, he'll be playing the race card anytime now. He always does.

Hit him with the god card

[Zhawk]

Don’t they do “in house” evaluations? I know at the collegiate level, they sure do. Coaches do an eval after the game as well. None of it is made public of course, but they are evaluated.
I don’t think games are “rigged” per se. But that game would’ve been called differently IF it was a playoff game…can we all agree with that? Flags tend to stay in pockets for both teams in the playoffs generally.
What I don’t like is when refs become TOO much a part of the game, especially at the end. Bad calls early can be overcome. Bad calls late can’t be and end up being decisive.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

So, a few things:
1. I don't know how to track the line and don't know its normal volatility. Are you able to provide a day-by-day line so we can see what it was doing throughout the week? And what is normal throughout the season in betting lines?
2. When was it announced to the public that the refs were being changed?
3. Where there any other developments around the time of the announcement?

I can't really comment on that before you provide me with 1/ and 2/ (and if you can't provide those, then I can't give you an informed answer).

But assuming you are correct and the line changed the day that the announcement was made, one could chalk it up to pure randomness (hence, need to see the normal line volatility) OR there could be a lot of people out there like you and BlackOp that see a replacement crew and infer that the fix is in.

Correlation need not equal causation here.

I'd like to see this as well. I don't bet on sports so I wasn't aware of what the final spread was. I did post it as Chiefs -4.5 on Friday in my gambling thread.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

So, a few things:
1. I don't know how to track the line and don't know its normal volatility. Are you able to provide a day-by-day line so we can see what it was doing throughout the week? And what is normal throughout the season in betting lines?
2. When was it announced to the public that the refs were being changed?
3. Where there any other developments around the time of the announcement?

I can't really comment on that before you provide me with 1/ and 2/ (and if you can't provide those, then I can't give you an informed answer).

But assuming you are correct and the line changed the day that the announcement was made, one could chalk it up to pure randomness (hence, need to see the normal line volatility) OR there could be a lot of people out there like you and BlackOp that see a replacement crew and infer that the fix is in.

Correlation need not equal causation here.

As someone who bets semi-regularly, it's not odd at all for lines to change on gameday for a multitude of reasons.

Usually it's because the book is trying to level things out to limit potential losses, which is Occams Razor in this case.