The New Ipods - Page 6

Pitt Gorilla · 10-12-2005, 01:42 PM

Ugh, I just got a new one a month ago.

These new ones look very nice.

http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html

Valiant · 10-13-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser

You get what you pay for?
Knockoff's are for cheapskates and/or geeks?
It's the marketing, stupid.
If "Creative" is in their name then why didn't they come up with it first?
They're chick magnets, dude.
I own stock in Apple.
I prefer to reward innovation and design than a "look a-like"?
Those people in the commercial look like they're having fun.
I like to have excuses to go to the Genius Bar at the Apple Store.

--->

Actually IPOD gets most of their ideas last, they just happen to have the best marketing period. Ipod did not start the mp3's, they did not do color screens first, hell they stole the name of nano from creative. Still wondering what will happen with that in court. Apple just has the best marketing out of anybody. They do not have shit for innovation compared to everybody else and at the price. Just marketing, marketing, marketing.

**Rausch** · 10-13-2005, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Actually IPOD gets most of their ideas last, they just happen to have the best marketing period. Ipod did not start the mp3's, they did not do color screens first, hell they stole the name of nano from creative. Still wondering what will happen with that in court. Apple just has the best marketing out of anybody. They do not have shit for innovation compared to everybody else and at the price. Just marketing, marketing, marketing.

First, that's moronic.

Apple has got to have the absolute worst marketing of any PC/Comp maker out there.

There aren't 100 billion sites out there taking jabs at them because it's convincing. It's $#it. I can admit that and still like the product.

2nd, they combined software with hardware and made a mint. Their site offers high quality d/loads and cheap prices.

Edit: there must be some marketing genius out there. You've got moron teenagers (redundant much?) asking their parents to buy them $2,000 computers to go with their $400 iPod.

Microsoft isn't the only person to take advantage of the idiot quotient ...

Pitt Gorilla · 10-13-2005, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Actually IPOD gets most of their ideas last, they just happen to have the best marketing period. Ipod did not start the mp3's, they did not do color screens first, hell they stole the name of nano from creative. Still wondering what will happen with that in court. Apple just has the best marketing out of anybody. They do not have shit for innovation compared to everybody else and at the price. Just marketing, marketing, marketing.

Uh, "nano" means extremely small. How did Apple steal that from anyone?

Valiant · 10-13-2005, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Uh, "nano" means extremely small. How did Apple steal that from anyone?

Because there is alreay a nano mp3 player out there for the past year.

Valiant · 10-13-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

First, that's moronic.

Apple has got to have the absolute worst marketing of any PC/Comp maker out there.

There aren't 100 billion sites out there taking jabs at them because it's convincing. It's $#it. I can admit that and still like the product.

2nd, they combined software with hardware and made a mint. Their site offers high quality d/loads and cheap prices.

Edit: there must be some marketing genius out there. You've got moron teenagers (redundant much?) asking their parents to buy them $2,000 computers to go with their $400 iPod.

Microsoft isn't the only person to take advantage of the idiot quotient ...

We are talking mp3 players here.. If you want to bash them for their other products make another thread... A inferior product selling 4 out of 5 total mp3 players is marketing power.

**Rausch** · 10-13-2005, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

A inferior product selling 4 out of 5 total mp3 players is marketing power.

Ha!

Welcome to my world bidge!

Valiant · 10-13-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Ha!

Welcome to my world bidge!

Never said otherwise, You are the one said they are horrible at marketing... You threw in their pc marketing when we were talking about mp3 players... Failing to see why you arguing when we have the same conclusion...

patteeu · 10-13-2005, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Actually IPOD gets most of their ideas last, they just happen to have the best marketing period. Ipod did not start the mp3's, they did not do color screens first, hell they stole the name of nano from creative. Still wondering what will happen with that in court. Apple just has the best marketing out of anybody. They do not have shit for innovation compared to everybody else and at the price. Just marketing, marketing, marketing.

That's a minority opinion... no a fringe opinion, right there. Apple didn't "start the mp3's" but they sure exploded it into a business that is about to overtake their computer business. A business that many competitors including Microsoft are dying to get a piece of. It's not all marketing. They innovated when it comes to the user interface if nothing else. Was there another harddrive-based mp3 player in existence when the first iPod came out? If so, it was such a marginal product that no one remembers it.

**morphius** · 10-13-2005, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Armyofme

Ok. I looked through the MP3 accessories area and found a few FM transmitters (who really wants those anyway? the quality is horrible) and a case and a charger for an iRiver.

Is that the huge market that I missed? It must be my zealotness clouding the view

The funny thing to me is, why would people spend the extra money on most of those "boom boxes", for that kind of stuff it would just make more sense to get something not made for the ipod that has the same sound quality, 'cuase you can save yourself a chunk of change. I haven't seen any real add-on that makes me start to drool. The only one that even makes me go, "neat", is the remote controls.

I don't have anything against ipods

**morphius** · 10-13-2005, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

That's a minority opinion... no a fringe opinion, right there. Apple didn't "start the mp3's" but they sure exploded it into a business that is about to overtake their computer business. A business that many competitors including Microsoft are dying to get a piece of. It's not all marketing. They innovated when it comes to the user interface if nothing else. Was there another harddrive-based mp3 player in existence when the first iPod came out? If so, it was such a marginal product that no one remembers it.

Well, I think one of the things that you are overlooking is that most the other companies that make these devices are mostly small computer part companies, and have never had a TV advertising budget to get their name out there.

Tigermoose · 10-13-2005, 08:34 AM

I bought a 2nd generation IPOD mini and loved it. It lasted 6 months before the battery could no longer hold a charge. Because there was a scuff on the upper left hand of the IPOD from when I dropped it 2 days after I had bought it, and before I had bought a protective case, Apple claimed that my IPOD therefore was no longer under warranty. They would repair my IPOD case and replace the battery for $230. I did not want the case repaired, but that didn't matter. Apple insisted on repairing the case and would not replace the battery without that repair. The metal on the IPOD is very soft on the edges, which almost makes me believe this was done on purpose so that the IPOD will get scuffed and thus get Apple out of their warranty. Buyer Beware!

I tried buying a battery on the 'net, and replacing it myself. But the IPOD is a very delicate and intricate device, and I think that buy opening it up you reduce the tension holding everything together, so that now it won't work reliably.

In the future, I will be buying a Creative Labs Zen Micro 6gb because it has a replaceable lithium ion battery that does not need to be sent in to Creative to be replaced. You just snap out the old and snap in the new. This is a HUGE consideration. The Lithium ION batteries only usually last about 18 months, if you are lucky and don't use your MP3 much.

10-13-2005, 08:49 AM

try dell. Good price .

Or the 20 GB Olympus MP3/camera for 199. Someone said that is sells for 150 .

patteeu · 10-13-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

Well, I think one of the things that you are overlooking is that most the other companies that make these devices are mostly small computer part companies, and have never had a TV advertising budget to get their name out there.

I didn't say marketing had nothing to do with it. I was objecting to Valiant's claim that it's all marketing.

patteeu · 10-13-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigermoose

I bought a 2nd generation IPOD mini and loved it. It lasted 6 months before the battery could no longer hold a charge. Because there was a scuff on the upper left hand of the IPOD from when I dropped it 2 days after I had bought it, and before I had bought a protective case, Apple claimed that my IPOD therefore was no longer under warranty. They would repair my IPOD case and replace the battery for $230. I did not want the case repaired, but that didn't matter. Apple insisted on repairing the case and would not replace the battery without that repair. The metal on the IPOD is very soft on the edges, which almost makes me believe this was done on purpose so that the IPOD will get scuffed and thus get Apple out of their warranty. Buyer Beware!

I tried buying a battery on the 'net, and replacing it myself. But the IPOD is a very delicate and intricate device, and I think that buy opening it up you reduce the tension holding everything together, so that now it won't work reliably.

In the future, I will be buying a Creative Labs Zen Micro 6gb because it has a replaceable lithium ion battery that does not need to be sent in to Creative to be replaced. You just snap out the old and snap in the new. This is a HUGE consideration. The Lithium ION batteries only usually last about 18 months, if you are lucky and don't use your MP3 much.

iPods have certainly had some battery problems and it would be nice if they had easily replaceable batteries like the one from Creative that you mention, but not everyone has the same warrantee problems that you ran into. My wife has an iPod that locked up about 6 months after she got it and despite the fact that the case had been significantly scuffed up from being dropped without a cover, they gave us no problem when we took it into the Apple Store to have it replaced. I'm sorry to hear that you had a far less satisfying experience. Good luck with the Zen Micro.

10-12-2005, 01:42 PM
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $-159806	The New Ipods Ugh, I just got a new one a month ago. These new ones look very nice. http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html
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10-13-2005, 08:34 AM	#86
Tigermoose Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis Casino cash: $10004900	Don't buy an IPOD!!!! I bought a 2nd generation IPOD mini and loved it. It lasted 6 months before the battery could no longer hold a charge. Because there was a scuff on the upper left hand of the IPOD from when I dropped it 2 days after I had bought it, and before I had bought a protective case, Apple claimed that my IPOD therefore was no longer under warranty. They would repair my IPOD case and replace the battery for $230. I did not want the case repaired, but that didn't matter. Apple insisted on repairing the case and would not replace the battery without that repair. The metal on the IPOD is very soft on the edges, which almost makes me believe this was done on purpose so that the IPOD will get scuffed and thus get Apple out of their warranty. Buyer Beware! I tried buying a battery on the 'net, and replacing it myself. But the IPOD is a very delicate and intricate device, and I think that buy opening it up you reduce the tension holding everything together, so that now it won't work reliably. In the future, I will be buying a Creative Labs Zen Micro 6gb because it has a replaceable lithium ion battery that does not need to be sent in to Creative to be replaced. You just snap out the old and snap in the new. This is a HUGE consideration. The Lithium ION batteries only usually last about 18 months, if you are lucky and don't use your MP3 much.
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10-13-2005, 08:49 AM	#87
chief99 Guest Casino cash: $	try dell. Good price . Or the 20 GB Olympus MP3/camera for 199. Someone said that is sells for 150 .
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